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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so the reaction is still coming into

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last week's appearance of dr. or Colonel

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John Alexander on the power cast of

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course I guess some of the comments are

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that this guy may be himself a military

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disinformation agent of course you know

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Colonel Alexander for many many years

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what's your I wouldn't say many many

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years I've known him since known about

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four or five years okay even those four

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or five years what's your take on him

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well being my retired lieutenant colonel

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in the Army

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with a background in intelligence and

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some pretty nefarious tasks that he's

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performed I think in his military career

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he was involved in Vietnam doing long

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long-range recon which may or may not

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involve project Phoenix and you know

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programmed assassinations and in taking

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out strategic Hamlet's and that sort of

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thing so someone with that kind of

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background is going to really obviously

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have a you know a real tight command and

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control over what he says and there's

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very very conscious of you know security

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oaths and other things that he's taken

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in the past so someone in his position I

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think is handcuffed to a certain degree

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and but I've always gotten the

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impression that he's been very upfront

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I've never got him to say I can't tell

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you that I know but I can't tell you or

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I can neither confirm or deny that

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you've asked me that so I haven't gotten

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any of the standard disclaimers or

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refusals to answer questions perhaps

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because I haven't asked the right

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question I think in the conversations

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that I've had with him he comes across

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as being genuine and telling me how he

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really feels about whatever particular

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subject we're talking about and

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I think his long and storied career and

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his involvement with Los Alamos and with

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the knids organization have really

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turned his head towards the direction of

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seeking a all-encompassing

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mechanism or formula that ties together

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various divergent seemingly unrelated

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paranormal phenomena I really feel that

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he is a seeker you know the whole thing

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about the NRO and monitoring near-earth

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space and you know not having any sort

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of information about the NRO in his book

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I think there are some things that he

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knows that he is just hoping somebody's

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not gonna ask him you know he would have

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to deflect or clam up about a particular

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subject but I think as I get to know him

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more I think he's become more open and I

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think it's at some point I'm gonna start

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really asking him some real tough hard

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and hard questions that you know might

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push the envelope a little all in all I

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think he's really trying to to

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communicate as much as he can and I do

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have a sense that he's being upfront and

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I think the reason some people oppose

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this of course is because of his

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intelligence connections they have the

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same suspicions back in the early days

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when major Kehoe's organization NICAP

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had a number of former military on their

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board of governors including the first

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head of the CIA bill encoder

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yes Roscoe Oh Helen Cotter and you think

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why does a guy like that get involved he

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did leave nycap after a time and I

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suspect part of it is the blowback so

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you look at someone like dr. Alexander

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and there obviously has to be a point

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there where he cannot answer a question

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or he'll deflect it or he will give you

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the disinformation answer which may be

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one of the perceptions here but maybe

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when you get too close to some things he

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will answer the question but not really

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give you the full honest answer I think

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one of the concerns people had also was

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when I was asking him about Tasers and

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the experience and tasers and I said

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aren't there a lot of fatalities he

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mentioned about ten but one of our

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listeners in our forums pointed to

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several foul

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and well several hundred I think it's up

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in the 500s but you know again if you

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don't really follow this thing these

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things which I'm would be surprised if

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he didn't you know I think that that was

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a little disingenuous on his part to

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come up with such a lowball number I you

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know you really have to always when it

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comes to classified information and

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potentially classified subjects and

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information unless you ever need to know

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there's no way that you're going to be

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able to compromise sources and if you

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are you're going to be extremely lucky

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and I would think it's rare to be able

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to get around and circumvent not having

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a need-to-know you know it doesn't

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matter how much you ask if you don't

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have that that clearance or that

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need-to-know

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it's gonna be very very difficult for

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you to find out anything of concrete and

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you know it's one thing to hear rumors

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and and asides from individuals it's

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another thing to actually get smoking

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documentation or you know three people

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confirming a particular fact or a

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particular scenario so you know he does

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have that kind of working against him

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and his attempt to form a UFO working

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group within the intelligence and

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military community to try to figure out

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the extent of official knowledge of UFOs

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I think was kind of doomed from the

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beginning because of this this whole

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scenario of having or not having a need

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to know you can ask away and you'll

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never get the answers and then it gets

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back to the original thing you know if I

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tell you I have to kill you which is a

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joke but it means he couldn't tell you

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even if he knew he couldn't even tell

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you if he knew and it gets back to that

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revolving circle but anyway he's a

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fascinating guest and let's hope that we

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have maan again and we can ask him more

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questions now the run-up to this week's

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interview and we have Travis Walton

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joining us and of course we all know the

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story back in the 1970s he was

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apparently abducted by aliens

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so the story goes he was missing for

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several days five days and he was just a

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mere 22 years of age when it happened

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now obviously lots of questions have

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been raised about

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Travis Walton number one of which of

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course is was he telling the truth what

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was he doing for those five days some

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say of course they point to supposedly

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contradictory results with polygraph

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tests as an example to raise suspicions

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of course the story was featured in a

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somewhat fictionalized form in a movie

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from the 1990s called fire in the sky

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where actor DB sweeney played Travis

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Walton so you know it made him famous

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but certain parts of that movie

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including the abduction scene were

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heavily fictionalized yeah we'll talk

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we'll talk to him about that and and

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I've already talked with Tracy Torme the

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producer of the movie about it and there

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was some some you know friction that

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production crew and people that were

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responsible for producing the movie and

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you know they were pretty much forced to

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ratchet up the fear factor and and

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fictionalized heavily fictionalized the

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the interior scenes which were

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originally film the way they occurred

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and they were sent back in to redo them

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because it wasn't scary enough it's a

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movie it's an entertainment company and

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to them it's not a documentary to them

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it is something that is designed to get

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a big box office resolved as a movie it

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was a middling success I guess it

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recovered the production cost but not

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much more

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and of course Tracy Torme explained some

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of that the last time he was here on the

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power cast right so we know about that

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so we'll ask Travis about the

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differences between the fictional

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version and what really happened to him

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gets him up to dates and he's got this

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conference coming up in the same place

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where this incident occurred somewhere

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in a way up there in the woods somewhere

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in Arizona it's actually the conference

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is going to be in the little town that

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he ended up waking up and finding

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himself back on earth as it were in

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Heber Arizona which as the crow flies is

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only about an hour for me not even

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if I could you know get on my my little

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personal helicopter and fly over there I

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could probably do it in about 4550

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minutes so it's right down the Mogi on

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rim from me and the conference has quite

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a stellar a list of speakers

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myself excluded in there and of course

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if it wasn't driving through the

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mountains I might actually go up there

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it's about two and a half hours from

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here tell you what we've got Travis

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Walton coming up on the show he'll be

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answering your questions and there'll

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are lots of them and we'll be talking

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about the conference for a lot of

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notables in the UFO field will be there

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including our own Chris O'Brien I might

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get there again if I decide I can handle

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driving through the mountainous roads

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Travis Walton necks with Gene and Chris

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para cast calm I'll tell you as Chris

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said in our previous segment I think

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we've had more requests over the eight

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and a half years of the para cast to

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bring on Travis Walton than just about

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and the other guest Chris and I have

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asked him over the years and now we

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finally got it together so Travis

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welcome to the para cast well great to

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be here you know it's really strange how

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this is just kind of grown over the

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years rather than fading away I I

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recently sent a book to Croatia the

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first time it just got a phenomenal how

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it just continues to bring interest from

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around the world now before we get into

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this big event that you're sponsoring

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and I'm Chris and I are kind of

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discussing this because I know Chris

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will be there and I don't like driving

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through mountains and I have to think

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about the fact that to me it's a two and

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a half hour trip and I'll probably just

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come for the reason that all these

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people are there Chris is there and

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you're sponsoring the event I'm gonna

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ask you about that for a moment

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but you think back now that this

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happened you were what 22 years of age

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yeah so totally unprepared for what was

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coming into my life you know the impact

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of the event of course was just

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overwhelmed everything for a number of

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years but I didn't even realize at the

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time that you know my my life would

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never ever return to what it was before

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we get into any of these things here at

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22 years of age and you were working as

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a logger right yep swinging that

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chainsaw better you than me alright

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what kind of ambitions did you have in

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the working world or you just a kid

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happy to have a job

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was just I was just you know you know it

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was just something to do it certainly

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wasn't a lifetime plan you know I had a

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number of interests you know I've taken

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the private pilot training classes and

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you know certified as an EMT a lot of a

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lot of interests in a lot of different

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areas and you know I was so interested

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in so many things I hadn't settled on

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anything yet but but you know I

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certainly didn't see my future as a

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logger and I didn't didn't see it as

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someone that and involved with you know

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this event that happened had you read

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much at all about UFOs well you know I

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had a like I said a wide variety of

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interest and it was a subject that came

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up but no I hadn't read about it I there

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was a there was a lot of talk that

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because there had been a conversation a

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few weeks before it worked it that I was

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some kind of a UFO buff but you know

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that's hardly the case at all you know

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I've never been to a UFO conference or

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anything of that sort

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that was it was just that there wouldn't

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been some cattle mutilations in the area

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and there were in the news and so it

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kind of brought the conversation out now

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before we get into the nuts and bolts

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about this and the reason we're going to

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cover a little bit of old ground is that

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a number of our listeners you know

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haven't followed any of this and maybe

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they saw the movie fire in the sky a

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highly fictionalized version of what

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happened to you and that's maybe all

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they know before we do that this

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conference it's happening later this

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year can you tell us something about

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that who's going to be there well you

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know I resisted this but I just had a

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guy that just urged me to do it that I

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felt it was important and willing to

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help make it happen and so he talked me

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into it so November 5th were going to

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have a sky watch on the exact date now

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it was on a Wednesday back in 1975 and

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this this November 5th falls on a

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Wednesday too so we're having an early

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sky watch even though the conference

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itself

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on the seventh eighth and ninth you know

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Friday Saturday and Sunday so what do

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you have like a hotel or something there

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at a house peep well actually there's a

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there's a big barn that's been remodeled

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into a banquet hall they've been holding

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a lot of weddings and business

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conferences there and it's just one of

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the few areas a few venues in the entire

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area there that are capable of holding

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that many people okay so it's a bar a

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remodel barn it's pretty gonna be pretty

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nice and it'll it'll work just fine so

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this is a very small town were talking

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about here yeah yeah it's pretty small

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town and my greatest worry is having

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enough hotel space you know but there's

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a lot of campgrounds there - so we're

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gonna encourage as many people who come

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to you know had a little element of

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adventure and come and make it a campout

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- yeah send him down the turkey creek on

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the rim there and and tell him to keep a

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watchful eye out you know I never

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thought about that there's probably

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gonna people be people who would

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actually want to camp out over that way

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yeah actually

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Travis I've I've camped there a little

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closer to the rim and and halfway

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between the site and the the the fire

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tower there let me give the stats on

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this place population in 2010 was 2822

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so you can probably double that by

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having this event over there

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it's an elevation of 6,000 627 feet and

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in terms of locations is 144 miles north

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of Phoenix the junction of state route

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260 and stay through 277 I guess the

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best route from where I am is to get on

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to route 216 come up but there you go

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tell us about the speaker choice well I

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wanted to choose people who would sort

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of lay the groundwork in this area you

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know this is the totally new thing for

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the people in this area and I wanted to

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you know

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gotta get the bedrock of ufology you

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know the I've got Stan Friedman speaking

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about the you know the scientific basis

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for you know the reality of this

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phenomena and just you know somebody

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from each area that can cover some of

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the things that were going on in the

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area back in that first week of no value

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of cattle cases occurred just weeks

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before your event and I find that fairly

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intriguing and in my new book stalking

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herd I do devote a bit of space to

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discuss how this it's kind of hard not

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to make a connection between the

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mutilation waves and other sightings

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that occurred in the area just prior to

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your event occurring clifford mahooty

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who is one of your speakers he and his

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family had an incredible sighting oh

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then I think a week or ten days of your

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of your actual abduction and this was up

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the road about 80 a hundred miles in the

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Zuni Reservation and his account of this

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particular event is is quite amazing and

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I can't wait to see how people respond

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to you know kind of a correlated event

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that I think may be indicative of a lot

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of the weird strange activity that was

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going on in the area back in that early

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early to mid fall period of 75 yeah

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we're you know located between several

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Indian reservations here and so

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naturally you know I did want the Native

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American perspective you know with the

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three Native American speakers that

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we're having you know because that's

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that's part of the picture here that

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Mayan Siddhant happens you know just you

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know quarter of a mile from the border

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to the Apache reservation so yeah 80

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miles away is just a blink of an eye on

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it for these machines these craft hey

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let's get into very much more of this in

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our next segment Travis Walton joining

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[Music]

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here with Jean and Kris were happy to

617
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welcome Travis Walton to the show and of

618
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course he's sponsoring this event in

619
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November a UFO conference in the area

620
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,530
where he awakened after this abduction

621
00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:31,840
experience what's the event called it's

622
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:35,380
called the sky fire summit you know sky

623
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:37,210
fire was something I came up with when I

624
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:40,630
began self-publishing the book into my

625
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:41,770
printer saying well you got to have a

626
00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:44,020
name so just come to spur the moment I

627
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:45,670
came up with sky flower Productions and

628
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:48,760
so that's the name of the conference and

629
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,610
summit you know is kind of a double

630
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:53,440
meaning there you know summit is also

631
00:27:58,530 --> 00:27:55,510
the top of the mountain and you know if

632
00:28:00,510 --> 00:27:58,540
they're 7,000 feet where the incident

633
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:00,520
happened is kind of like the top of the

634
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,930
mountain is one of the highest points

635
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:03,940
around that's the name of the sky fire

636
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:11,320
summit and this is what 39 years it's

637
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also right right on the anniversary

638
00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:16,270
there it's the pre conference events are

639
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,100
on the fifth and sixth the actual

640
00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:20,320
conference itself is November 7th 8th

641
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and 9th well you know there's even some

642
00:28:27,210 --> 00:28:25,900
international media and attendance

643
00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:27,220
already you know is just barely

644
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:30,280
announced but there's a major french

645
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:33,610
magazine writer flying in from france

646
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:38,380
and there's also a movie being shot and

647
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:41,050
they're gonna do a little filming this

648
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:43,270
is a different french production

649
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:45,340
companies and filming a feature film an

650
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independent film and they want a little

651
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background for the for that movie and

652
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they're gonna be filming there and

653
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that's just and there's some other

654
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product film crews coming among the

655
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:58,150
other speakers by the way and i'm

656
00:29:02,490 --> 00:28:59,050
looking at the list

657
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:02,500
you've got kathleen martin we've got

658
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:04,900
Linda Moulton Howe definitely want to

659
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:05,700
talk to her

660
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:10,780
Peter Robbins Richard Dolan Donald

661
00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:11,500
Schmidt

662
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:14,860
Tracy Torme is gonna be there yes Tracy

663
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:16,690
Thomas green writer on fire in the sky

664
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:20,260
right Donna Schmidt will be speaking

665
00:29:25,410 --> 00:29:22,630
about Roswell Richard Dolan will be

666
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,420
speaking about government secrecy in

667
00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:27,520
to cover up and that sort of thing you

668
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:30,280
know so this is trying to cover the

669
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cover the subject in a comprehensive way

670
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as best he can with 15 speakers now

671
00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:39,360
let's go back here to the beginning

672
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:42,520
let's return to those thrilling days of

673
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:43,960
yesteryear I sound like The Lone Ranger

674
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:50,100
here 1975 for those who as I said

675
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:53,290
haven't heard much about your story or

676
00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:55,930
maybe just saw the movie which is not

677
00:30:02,010 --> 00:29:58,870
quite a fully accurate portrayal of what

678
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:02,020
happened can you tell us and maybe the

679
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:04,900
next segment or two a brief summary of

680
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:08,470
this event Travis well you know that's

681
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:10,360
some of the things that the movie did

682
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:12,100
get right was you know here was this

683
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:15,130
event you know coming out of the blue

684
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:18,580
and no pun intended you know coming out

685
00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:20,980
of nowhere for a group of loggers on the

686
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:23,920
way home from work we'd finished up work

687
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:25,900
and we're headed out of there and at

688
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:28,030
first we just saw some of this glow off

689
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,690
in the trees and it wasn't until we got

690
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:34,240
where we had a closer view of it that we

691
00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:37,620
realized you know but this was something

692
00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:40,360
it's really extraordinary I mean the

693
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:42,160
minute we burst into the clearing and

694
00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:44,650
could had a clear view of it everybody

695
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:47,680
knew what it was immediately you know

696
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,750
the skeptics you say oh we just saw the

697
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:51,760
pine nut Jupiter or somebody was saying

698
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,040
it was Air Force helicopters on maneuver

699
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:56,640
just silly explanations that you know

700
00:31:01,050 --> 00:30:59,140
you know have nothing to do with what

701
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:01,060
we're reporting and describing in detail

702
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:04,270
you know here it is Wham

703
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:08,620
you know just unmistakable but I just

704
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,420
assumed it would take off before I got

705
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:12,640
close so when I started torch this thing

706
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:17,200
I you know was it was kind of a major

707
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:20,110
miscalculation closer I got the more

708
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:22,270
anxious the crew got of course the more

709
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:26,050
scared I became that when I got right up

710
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:27,810
to it and was sitting there just

711
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:31,330
awestruck by this the magnificence of

712
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:34,330
the sight of this thing it was you know

713
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:36,250
the guys in the truck some of them said

714
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,930
you know you could just tell something

715
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,960
was going to happen

716
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:41,360
and I think what they were really

717
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:43,700
talking about there was that there was

718
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:47,210
some kind of an energy buildup happening

719
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:49,790
a charge you know they say that people

720
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:53,510
who were you know near or you know about

721
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:55,280
to be struck by lightning they'll feel

722
00:31:59,710 --> 00:31:58,010
this the hair rising up on the back of

723
00:32:02,440 --> 00:31:59,720
their neck they like this you know

724
00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:02,450
there's a kind of a sensation of the

725
00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:05,540
charge before it actually erupts and I

726
00:32:09,910 --> 00:32:07,220
think that's kind of what what it was

727
00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:09,920
because when it suddenly got louder and

728
00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:13,580
started to move I I just jumped into a

729
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:16,550
Crouch and because there was a log in

730
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:17,900
front of me and I was just trying to get

731
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:22,220
down behind that and when I stood up to

732
00:32:27,370 --> 00:32:25,160
run back to the truck I actually closed

733
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:27,380
the distance between me and the craft

734
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:29,450
and I think this energy that was

735
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:32,330
building up burst out of there and and

736
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:35,150
went to ground through me you know for

737
00:32:39,550 --> 00:32:37,070
some of the years that was interpreted

738
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:39,560
as you know like a beam that was fired

739
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:41,950
some sort of a defensive weapon or maybe

740
00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:44,330
deliberately attempting this you know

741
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:46,430
stunned me or something but you know now

742
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:48,710
I I really do think it was just an

743
00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:52,130
accident that happened because you know

744
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:55,280
I got so close so suddenly and this

745
00:33:02,080 --> 00:32:59,600
energy hit me even my foremost detractor

746
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:02,090
as an anti UFO guy he wrote a whole

747
00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:06,160
paper describing how he thought these

748
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:09,800
sightings that pilots had were just a

749
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:13,190
result of this incredible electrical

750
00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:15,260
charge that builds up in the surface of

751
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:17,240
airplanes when they travel through the

752
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:19,460
air at high speed you know when you

753
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:21,170
refuel an airplane you have to put a

754
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:24,140
ground wire on it to prevent you know

755
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:27,110
the spark from igniting the fuel and you

756
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,180
know he was saying in this paper that

757
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:31,400
this you know can be in millions of

758
00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:34,100
volts and he was trying to explain UFO

759
00:33:40,090 --> 00:33:37,540
sightings in that but not none of the

760
00:33:41,650 --> 00:33:40,100
physicists and the scientist who examine

761
00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:41,660
the paper world that impressed with it

762
00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:44,840
but it does you know a documented

763
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:47,030
genuine effect that once when something

764
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:49,040
flies to the atmosphere at a very high

765
00:33:54,450 --> 00:33:51,940
rate of speed that it

766
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,460
can build up these enormous charges so

767
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,320
it could have been something like that

768
00:34:00,920 --> 00:33:58,720
because you know this does UFO obviously

769
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:00,930
could fly much faster than an airplane

770
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:03,640
but it also might have been sort of a

771
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:06,190
side effect of the propulsion system or

772
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:11,860
something the the tree growth that was

773
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:14,590
later discovered you know to have

774
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:16,540
affected the trees nearest where the

775
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:19,720
craft came down you know could have been

776
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:23,800
as a side effect of the presence of the

777
00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:28,540
craft and the emanating this energy but

778
00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:31,660
you know something that just occurred to

779
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:33,190
me is what if they were actually doing

780
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:36,550
some kind of an agricultural experiment

781
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:39,100
and that was the reason for this charge

782
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:41,620
and that I kind of got in the way of

783
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:44,410
something that was really intended for

784
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:48,429
trees and was injured by it so rather

785
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:51,390
than being an abduction it was more of a

786
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:54,640
an ambulance call more of a an attempt

787
00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:58,240
to revive me due to an accident that was

788
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:01,720
really on my own fault so you think

789
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:06,550
whoever piloted this craft was trying to

790
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:10,030
help you or save your life either yeah

791
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:11,560
yeah that's what I'm thinking because

792
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,710
you know that in the movie yeah well you

793
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:16,960
know in the movie you know the you know

794
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:18,450
Hollywood have always accused of

795
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:20,530
exaggerating and embellishing everything

796
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:23,110
but in the point where this bolt of

797
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:24,910
light hits me

798
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:27,850
it was far more violent you know just a

799
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:30,010
more dazzling sight than they portrayed

800
00:35:34,110 --> 00:35:31,900
in the movie and you know it's

801
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:34,120
surprising that you know Hollywood never

802
00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:35,770
wants to pass up a chance for a light

803
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:39,400
show but the the actual blast from that

804
00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:42,040
was so powerful that you know my body

805
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:44,950
was flying through the air like a rag

806
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:48,010
doll and you know just parts of arms and

807
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:50,200
legs that come you know sticking out of

808
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:54,160
this ball of energy to where the crew

809
00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:55,960
were saying that they were you know

810
00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:58,030
arguing amongst themselves whether had

811
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:00,730
burned me up disintegrated me and you

812
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:03,550
know and Ken was saying on the way back

813
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:05,480
that you know his greatest fear

814
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:07,450
was what my body was going to look like

815
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:10,850
it all burned up because the violence of

816
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:11,840
it the power of it

817
00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:13,600
Dwayne Smith who later became an

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saying that it sounded like high voltage

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to him that this blast of energy you

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know seemed very electrical let's go

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into that response in a moment in our

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next segment we have Travis Walton

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joining us this week of course he wrote

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with Gina and Chris and the para cast

933
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Travis Walton is joining us of course he

934
00:41:28,909 --> 00:41:25,389
had this what we call abduction

935
00:41:31,319 --> 00:41:28,919
experience back in 1975 that was

936
00:41:33,389 --> 00:41:31,329
fictionalized somewhat in fire in the

937
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sky and you were mentioning in a sense

938
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then can we say maybe that you were

939
00:41:39,569 --> 00:41:37,329
almost electrocuted then well you know

940
00:41:42,029 --> 00:41:39,579
it's hard to say what the nature of that

941
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:42,039
energy was you know my skeptic my

942
00:41:45,929 --> 00:41:44,649
foremost attractor was saying well if it

943
00:41:47,429 --> 00:41:45,939
was that powerful that it should have

944
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:47,439
burned his clothes off or started the

945
00:41:51,389 --> 00:41:49,689
woods on fire you know but you know for

946
00:41:53,729 --> 00:41:51,399
whatever it is you know I had the power

947
00:41:56,999 --> 00:41:53,739
to knock me 10 or 20 feet through the

948
00:41:59,370 --> 00:41:57,009
air and as you know you know a police

949
00:42:01,529 --> 00:41:59,380
stun gun is perfectly capable of

950
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knocking someone out without catching

951
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their clothes on fire but in one of the

952
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police reports the the deputy wrote in

953
00:42:13,709 --> 00:42:11,229
his interview with one of the crewmen

954
00:42:17,459 --> 00:42:13,719
that they had described it as looking

955
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,469
like a long blue flame but other crewmen

956
00:42:22,439 --> 00:42:19,839
described it as like a big you know blue

957
00:42:25,319 --> 00:42:22,449
laser blast or something a lightning

958
00:42:29,249 --> 00:42:25,329
bolt sort of a thing whatever it was I

959
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:29,259
think it was probably very likely that

960
00:42:37,169 --> 00:42:34,169
it did cause at least cardiac arrest and

961
00:42:40,229 --> 00:42:37,179
after I was returned I'll underwent a

962
00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:40,239
whole battery of medical tests and one

963
00:42:46,109 --> 00:42:43,029
of those was an electroencephalogram

964
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:46,119
which says brainwave scan and the

965
00:42:51,539 --> 00:42:48,849
interesting thing about this is that the

966
00:42:53,009 --> 00:42:51,549
technician was not told who I was or

967
00:42:54,689 --> 00:42:53,019
what had happened he was just you know

968
00:42:57,149 --> 00:42:54,699
this was at Beryl's neurological

969
00:42:59,429 --> 00:42:57,159
institute a world-famous brain trauma

970
00:43:04,019 --> 00:42:59,439
center and all he was looking for with

971
00:43:08,459 --> 00:43:04,029
signs of injury and he did remark on an

972
00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:08,469
unusual brainwave pattern there and to

973
00:43:14,189 --> 00:43:10,799
me this supports the idea that the

974
00:43:17,789 --> 00:43:14,199
energy did have some sort of a lasting

975
00:43:20,959 --> 00:43:17,799
effect on the nervous system now I'm

976
00:43:24,529 --> 00:43:20,969
going to take that EEG report and get it

977
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:24,539
reviewed again and probably again

978
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,250
initially in a double-blind

979
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:30,160
situation so that the the person

980
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:33,730
examining the charts is not biased by a

981
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:36,040
report of what happened to me just their

982
00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:38,890
opinion does this resemble someone who

983
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:41,860
was received an electrical shock or a

984
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:43,750
lightning strike or something of that

985
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:44,230
nature

986
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:49,240
and then also as follow-up to actually

987
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:53,140
repeat an EEG and see if that wave

988
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:54,730
pattern is still there

989
00:44:02,970 --> 00:43:57,910
now I've speculated that this unusual

990
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,980
pattern this just you know possible

991
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:05,170
disruption in the nervous system may

992
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,630
have been the reason that these beings

993
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:10,720
were not able to control me and keep me

994
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:14,620
on the table that I was able to lash out

995
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,470
and move away from them and you know

996
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,140
despite their best efforts to control me

997
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:23,200
you know telepathically that that wasn't

998
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:25,540
going to work in in the state that my

999
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:28,690
nervous system was at least at that

1000
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:31,480
moment when this happened did you

1001
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:33,940
remember everything as it happened or

1002
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:36,970
did those memories come by later well I

1003
00:44:42,330 --> 00:44:39,970
was not able to relate what I had

1004
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:42,340
experienced to anyone for a number of

1005
00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:45,130
days that completely because it was just

1006
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:47,980
so traumatic to talk about that you know

1007
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:51,160
I was just you know doing everything I

1008
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:53,700
could just to hold it together and

1009
00:44:58,830 --> 00:44:56,140
talking about it I would just break down

1010
00:45:01,410 --> 00:44:58,840
so the main thing that was accomplished

1011
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:01,420
with the hypnosis was not to try to get

1012
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:03,940
at the blocked portion of my memories

1013
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:10,420
but to allow me to recall or relate what

1014
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:12,970
had happened to me separated from that

1015
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:15,610
fear so you know the relaxation

1016
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:17,530
techniques and all that although it was

1017
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:20,320
still extremely intense was the first

1018
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:22,770
time I was actually able to relate that

1019
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:26,320
conscious period but you know the

1020
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:30,370
hypnosis did reveal that there is some

1021
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:33,670
sort of a block on the further memories

1022
00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:36,130
of what happened aboard during those

1023
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,840
five days but only little little

1024
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:42,960
bits have come through over the years

1025
00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:46,090
and nothing nothing to report in that

1026
00:45:53,010 --> 00:45:49,600
regard but I've always been leery about

1027
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:53,020
undergoing hypnosis again to try to

1028
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:57,220
break through that repressed memory and

1029
00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:59,170
it only occurred to me in the last year

1030
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:02,170
or two that there might be a reason for

1031
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,220
that that the possibility of regressing

1032
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:09,760
someone hypnotically back in time

1033
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:12,550
through a point where you were in

1034
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:15,250
cardiac arrest might actually cause

1035
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:18,120
cardiac arrest and I'm not talking about

1036
00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:20,770
you know heart failure from fear I'm

1037
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:24,220
talking about you know the energy if it

1038
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:29,460
actually you know stopped my heart that

1039
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:31,810
bringing you back in time through that

1040
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:33,700
point in time I might be dangerous in

1041
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:37,690
that regard well my question would be so

1042
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:42,370
I I was not aware that you were under

1043
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,700
some sort of regressive state when you

1044
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:47,440
first were able to come up with details

1045
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:50,290
how much did you remember when you were

1046
00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:53,050
lying there after being returned and I

1047
00:46:57,330 --> 00:46:55,750
wanted about 1 degrees and it was

1048
00:46:59,730 --> 00:46:57,340
related everything that was related

1049
00:47:03,510 --> 00:46:59,740
under hypnosis was what I remembered

1050
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,520
before I knew any hypnosis at all so you

1051
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:05,200
know a lot of people are curious about

1052
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:07,090
that because one of the things the

1053
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,670
skeptics try to say is that these

1054
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:12,640
memories are really just implanted by

1055
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:14,980
the hypnotist with leading questions but

1056
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:17,710
that was not the case at all I related

1057
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,190
bits and little fragments of it prior to

1058
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:24,160
that sort of a disjointed interview with

1059
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:26,680
the sheriff you know just a few things

1060
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:28,530
that I had said to my brother you know

1061
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:32,110
immediately upon him retrieving me from

1062
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:34,810
the telephone booth so you know the

1063
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:38,560
memories were there intact it was just

1064
00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:41,470
the ability to express them and that was

1065
00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:43,600
really all it was achieved by the

1066
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:46,950
hypnosis he wasn't you know in any way

1067
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:51,130
breaking through the block you know in

1068
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:53,380
that vein we have a series of questions

1069
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:54,400
from one of

1070
00:48:01,319 --> 00:47:57,490
our top posters at perform doctor para

1071
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:01,329
cast calm burn state he's wandering upon

1072
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:03,250
your return you were described as being

1073
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:05,140
in a healthy condition but absolutely

1074
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:08,170
terrified what psychological support or

1075
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:09,940
assistance if any did you receive

1076
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:12,460
immediately afterwards to deal with the

1077
00:48:18,049 --> 00:48:14,109
news media and to get through the first

1078
00:48:21,089 --> 00:48:18,059
lie-detector test and and how how much

1079
00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:21,099
conscious recall do you have in in terms

1080
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:23,859
of hours over that five-day period

1081
00:48:29,549 --> 00:48:25,990
because it sounds like a lot of it it's

1082
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:29,559
still just a blank if you had to come up

1083
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:31,690
with a with an hour figure I mean how

1084
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,700
what percentage of the time that you

1085
00:48:39,539 --> 00:48:36,160
were gone do you have a conscious recall

1086
00:48:42,269 --> 00:48:39,549
of oh you know probably around an hour

1087
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:42,279
maybe more maybe less you know it was

1088
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:45,970
all that we were describing you know in

1089
00:48:54,569 --> 00:48:51,190
the hypnosis it was yeah over there you

1090
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:54,579
know that was a huge and always has been

1091
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:57,609
you know a concern as a weight on my

1092
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:01,420
mind about what else there might be you

1093
00:49:06,809 --> 00:49:03,910
know on that I think that contributes to

1094
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:06,819
my reluctance to undergo more hypnosis

1095
00:49:11,549 --> 00:49:09,369
is that you know I've had my hands full

1096
00:49:13,529 --> 00:49:11,559
dealing with what's happened up to now

1097
00:49:15,059 --> 00:49:13,539
and that kind of goes hand in hand with

1098
00:49:18,299 --> 00:49:15,069
the question people are always asking

1099
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:18,309
what was anything more happened and you

1100
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:20,710
know you know like I said and I got my

1101
00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:24,760
hands full just dealing with with you

1102
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,460
know what I remembered when I woke up on

1103
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:29,440
the road there way there and what was

1104
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,380
the other part of your question well

1105
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,480
yeah did you did you get any sort of

1106
00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:37,119
psychological support in other ways well

1107
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:39,190
you know back then there really wasn't

1108
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:41,170
support groups like there is now there's

1109
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:44,710
a number of organizations around the the

1110
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:46,750
country who you know have some

1111
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,010
therapeutic expertise and and just the

1112
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:54,240
support of a group of undergone similar

1113
00:49:59,700 --> 00:49:57,190
trauma but back then they didn't have

1114
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,710
anything like that and I I had nothing

1115
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:02,640
even the psychiatrist the the team that

1116
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:07,520
examined me early on they were so

1117
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:11,750
embedded in the orthodoxy that they too

1118
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:13,880
wanted to interpret this whole

1119
00:50:17,530 --> 00:50:15,500
experience is some kind of a

1120
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:17,540
psychological phenomenon rather than a

1121
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:20,780
real event so that was a no help

1122
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:23,829
whatsoever you know and I had no kind of

1123
00:50:29,950 --> 00:50:26,710
counseling or you know certainly no

1124
00:50:32,859 --> 00:50:29,960
medication of any kind to deal enormous

1125
00:50:35,859 --> 00:50:32,869
stress that I was undergoing you know

1126
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:35,869
the memory of what I'd been through and

1127
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:38,839
all that it was was huge and then to

1128
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:41,690
have all these horrible accusations

1129
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:44,630
being slung at me and my reputation you

1130
00:50:51,579 --> 00:50:49,030
know being dragged through the the media

1131
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:51,589
not to mention that your your buddies

1132
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:54,170
the members of your crew were under

1133
00:50:59,170 --> 00:50:55,790
suspicion that they'd murdered you and

1134
00:51:01,180 --> 00:50:59,180
had concocted this story as a cover for

1135
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:01,190
some sort of altercation that had

1136
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,280
happened I mean it's difficult for them

1137
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:07,040
as well we have to do the break now

1138
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:09,500
Travis of when I asked you more about

1139
00:51:14,020 --> 00:51:12,260
that and give you time to respond rather

1140
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:14,030
than just rush through it right now but

1141
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:15,589
we want to get into that particular

1142
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,510
point so our guest is Travis Walton who

1143
00:51:27,789 --> 00:51:23,359
had this amazing encounter with a UFO

1144
00:51:30,330 --> 00:51:27,799
back in 1975 with gene and Chris you're

1145
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:30,340
in the parrot ass

1146
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:41,070
little right a little laugh but always

1147
00:51:48,370 --> 00:51:43,790
independent-minded the genesis

1148
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:48,380
communications network GC does

1149
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:49,700
advertising on the genesis

1150
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:51,320
communications radio network actually

1151
00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:53,090
bring positive results

1152
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,190
let's ask Thomas Walter from freeze-dry

1153
00:52:08,160 --> 00:51:56,720
guy Thomas to talk about customer

1154
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:10,570
if you'd like to experience unbelievable

1155
00:52:15,610 --> 00:52:12,440
customer service call e wicked Houser at

1156
00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:15,620
877 nine nine six four three two seven

1157
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:18,950
extension 1:07 we the people grow cotton

1158
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:21,020
wheat fabric engraving can bed strips

1159
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:22,610
and fibers to protect from counterfeit

1160
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:24,470
and carding to a private bank having it

1161
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:25,490
led back at interest

1162
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:27,260
forcing taxes to service debt this

1163
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:29,150
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1164
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,590
stating a central bank issuing the

1165
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:32,240
public currency is a greater menace to

1166
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:33,350
the liberties of the people than a

1167
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:35,090
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

1168
00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:36,530
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1169
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:38,360
that explains our monetary system call

1170
00:52:45,070 --> 00:52:41,900
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1171
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:45,080
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1172
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:50,930
that's 800 686 to 237 on Facebook on the

1173
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:53,150
news and in conversations with friends

1174
00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:55,430
we're bombarded every day with advice on

1175
00:53:00,100 --> 00:52:57,260
how to be healthier from gluten free and

1176
00:53:02,050 --> 00:53:00,110
non-gmo diets to how much exercise and

1177
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sleep the body needs but how much have

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you heard about alkalizing the body Alka

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[Applause]

1199
00:54:03,460 --> 00:53:59,150
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1200
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:03,470
standard of paranormal radio and now

1201
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,640
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1202
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:13,380
Chris in the para cast Travis Walton

1203
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:16,529
recounting his 1975 encounter with the

1204
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:19,670
UFO and the period he spent aborted so

1205
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:22,170
let's get back to what Chris was asking

1206
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:25,140
here so while you were gone for five

1207
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:27,990
days the authorities wondered if maybe

1208
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:30,660
your friends had murdered you for some

1209
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:32,970
reason can you tell us more about that

1210
00:54:37,819 --> 00:54:35,549
well they were under tremendous pressure

1211
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:37,829
and there was you know even some a lot

1212
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:40,740
of hostility you know in the accusations

1213
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,990
that were coming their way even threats

1214
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,420
from my family members who suspected him

1215
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:48,000
of harming me so they were protesting

1216
00:54:51,769 --> 00:54:49,710
their innocence in saying they were

1217
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:51,779
willing to take sodium pentathol lie

1218
00:54:57,079 --> 00:54:54,839
detector or whatever and this sheriff

1219
00:54:59,359 --> 00:54:57,089
took him up on it whether he heard about

1220
00:55:03,230 --> 00:54:59,369
their requests or just did it on his own

1221
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,240
he called in the State Police a lie

1222
00:55:08,029 --> 00:55:05,430
detector expert the top guy in the state

1223
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:08,039
and had him tested and so when they

1224
00:55:12,859 --> 00:55:10,230
passed they weren't completely out from

1225
00:55:15,009 --> 00:55:12,869
underneath the gun the sheriff you know

1226
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,019
still had a theory that maybe they had

1227
00:55:20,269 --> 00:55:17,640
slipped me some drugs in my lunch that

1228
00:55:23,499 --> 00:55:20,279
day and hit me on the head and somehow

1229
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:23,509
you know that they had created this

1230
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:26,130
illusion in my mind old they were also

1231
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:28,430
accused of just making up the story

1232
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,460
along with me I'm the crew boss to

1233
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:34,200
somehow get out of the logging contract

1234
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:36,210
but that was thoroughly thoroughly

1235
00:55:42,430 --> 00:55:39,089
debunked by all the contracting officers

1236
00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:42,440
involved in the logging contract that

1237
00:55:49,099 --> 00:55:46,019
there was no way that any such incident

1238
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:49,109
could in any way benefit Mike the crew

1239
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:52,170
boss and it certainly worked greatly to

1240
00:55:58,009 --> 00:55:54,089
his disadvantage as he would surely have

1241
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,019
known all right so you wake up five days

1242
00:56:04,099 --> 00:56:00,960
after it happened let's get more into

1243
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:04,109
your perceptions they just suddenly feel

1244
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:05,819
like you're waking up after a night's

1245
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:08,070
sleep what well your impressions

1246
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:10,380
came to pretty quickly and I still a

1247
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:13,770
little pain in my head for a number of

1248
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:17,430
hours afterwards but it was cold and I

1249
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:20,220
was lying face-down and I was dark but I

1250
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:22,020
could see there was a light above me so

1251
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:23,880
I turned to see where the light was

1252
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:26,850
coming from and it went off before I

1253
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:31,050
looked but there I could see above me

1254
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:33,870
this craft hovering in the darkness just

1255
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:36,120
for an instant before it just shot up

1256
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:36,930
into the sky

1257
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:39,900
well my most recent memory was the

1258
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:42,570
feeling of total hysteria feeling

1259
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,220
trapped so the new surroundings of was

1260
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:48,720
was one of freedom even though I was in

1261
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,060
the dark you know it was still a

1262
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:53,640
familiar you know environment to be on a

1263
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:56,460
paved road on earth you know in the

1264
00:57:02,840 --> 00:56:58,890
forest so that was quite a relief

1265
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:02,850
and I was very unsteady on my feet but

1266
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:05,880
my main feeling there was relief like I

1267
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:08,550
would you know it finally escaped this

1268
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:11,310
fearful situation and I could see the

1269
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:14,820
lights of the town down below and so I

1270
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:18,170
ran down and was able to call my family

1271
00:57:24,050 --> 00:57:21,000
to come and get me this sounds almost

1272
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,060
like a fiction movie where somebody is

1273
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:26,400
captured or kidnapped and they wake up

1274
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:28,710
on the road let me go back here briefly

1275
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:32,400
to the hypnosis now the person who

1276
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:34,940
hypnotized you was that person

1277
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,770
previously familiar with UFOs and or

1278
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:40,440
abduction experience or just coming at

1279
00:57:42,830 --> 00:57:42,090
this as a neophyte in that particular

1280
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:42,840
category

1281
00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:46,730
well the hypnotist was dr. James Carter

1282
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:49,320
University of California Berkeley and he

1283
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:52,200
was a member of the aerial phenomenon

1284
00:57:58,030 --> 00:57:55,470
research organization so he had done

1285
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:58,040
hypnosis in this type of a situation

1286
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:01,500
before but he wasn't certified in the

1287
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:05,850
leckrone school of hypnotism and and it

1288
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:09,150
was really a major milestone in my

1289
00:58:15,380 --> 00:58:11,850
recovery you know that hypnosis session

1290
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:15,390
that whole thing was it was a big step

1291
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:18,390
in relieving a lot of the fear intention

1292
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:19,210
that I was under

1293
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,020
it was unbearable and you know his

1294
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:26,280
technique was amazing and the ability to

1295
00:58:34,589 --> 00:58:30,880
to calm and relieve that fear you bring

1296
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:34,599
up a pro you know UFO organizations that

1297
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:37,690
really did descend on on you and the

1298
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:40,150
area because of the intense media

1299
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:43,300
scrutiny that ensued after your return

1300
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:48,040
in the movie the UFO investigators are

1301
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:51,730
portrayed in not so kind of a light they

1302
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:55,050
they come across as being very invasive

1303
00:59:01,230 --> 00:58:58,810
almost rabid in their attempts to get

1304
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:01,240
you to open up and and and trust them

1305
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:05,320
and what was your impression of the the

1306
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:08,380
actual kind of circus that erupted

1307
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:10,030
around you and what was your impression

1308
00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:13,480
of the UFO groups that were involved in

1309
00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:16,420
in attempting to get you to open up

1310
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:17,830
about what happened to you

1311
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:19,720
well there was quite a number of groups

1312
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:21,670
and there was a tendency back in that

1313
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:23,770
day and I think that probably still

1314
00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:26,140
exists to a certain extent that the

1315
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:29,740
tendency to brand a particular prominent

1316
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:32,280
case as a good one if it's your case and

1317
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:35,710
suddenly it needs more examination if if

1318
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:38,550
you don't have the case and the the

1319
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:42,400
depiction in the movie of the UFO group

1320
00:59:47,579 --> 00:59:45,760
afar really is not representing a pro at

1321
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:47,589
all they were very professional in every

1322
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:51,070
way that was more representative of the

1323
00:59:56,579 --> 00:59:53,800
group ground saucer watch who initially

1324
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,589
thought they had the case and while they

1325
01:00:01,170 --> 00:59:58,240
thought they had it and we're saying all

1326
01:00:03,530 --> 01:00:01,180
kinds of positive things but once it

1327
01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:03,540
became apparent that this so-called

1328
01:00:10,109 --> 01:00:06,670
medical doctor that they had sent me to

1329
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,119
was no doctor at all once once they lost

1330
01:00:14,579 --> 01:00:11,920
the case and then they started attacking

1331
01:00:17,070 --> 01:00:14,589
it was with all sorts of accusations

1332
01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:17,080
that this was really a drug

1333
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:19,720
hallucination but this this supposed

1334
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,150
doctor who wasn't even a doctor or drug

1335
01:00:27,210 --> 01:00:24,400
expert at all anyway as they were

1336
01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:27,220
claiming that that it was a drug

1337
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:30,520
elucidation but it was absurd that the

1338
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:32,800
news media didn't rather than tell

1339
01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:36,610
being on this accusation didn't ask the

1340
01:00:41,490 --> 01:00:39,160
simple question how does seven people

1341
01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:41,500
have the same hallucination you know

1342
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:43,750
will travel either that or you guys are

1343
01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:45,790
absolutely out of your minds to be

1344
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:48,100
eating mushrooms of dropping acid while

1345
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:50,170
you're logging having done a bit of

1346
01:00:55,950 --> 01:00:53,050
logging myself I I would suggest to our

1347
01:00:58,890 --> 01:00:55,960
listeners that that is not probably the

1348
01:01:00,720 --> 01:00:58,900
best thing you can do to protect your

1349
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,730
safety and the safety of those around

1350
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:03,480
you by doing psychedelics while logging

1351
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the most dangerous occupation and in the

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United States's Lorde a very high death

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01:01:17,730 --> 01:01:14,160
rate but nobody has identical

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:17,740
hallucinations and and besides that I

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01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:20,530
had blood and urine samples put through

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01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:22,540
the county medical examiner's drug

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01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:24,790
screen at that time which proved there

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01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:27,430
was no trace of any drug in my body and

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:30,400
besides that it's been on a question on

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01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,770
several of the lie detector tests that

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01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:35,200
I've passed so you know it's it's really

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01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:37,510
an absurd thing but you know the

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01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:39,910
skeptics you know keep it alive to this

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01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:42,640
day but Travis none of the skeptics also

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:45,160
talked about the fact that you were

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01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:46,810
hypnotized because you have somebody

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01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:49,900
here who may be supremely experienced

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01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:53,620
that hypnosis may be unfortunately also

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01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:56,080
experienced in the UFO field and you

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01:02:00,540 --> 01:01:57,970
combined them to suggest well maybe they

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01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:00,550
asked you leading questions to get the

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01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:03,310
kind of answers they wanted well that's

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01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:06,310
a common accusation but the hypnosis

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:08,830
session was taped and there were no

1375
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:11,050
leading questions it was actually

1376
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,070
observed by three psychiatrists who are

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:17,200
actually sceptical of the whole thing

1378
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:19,450
a number of reporters and my brother and

1379
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:21,130
they were all in the room observing this

1380
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:23,260
and there was no leading questions and

1381
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:26,050
again just like with the hypnosis thing

1382
01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:28,990
if the hypnotist was planning memories

1383
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:31,420
in my mind what about the six crewmen

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01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:33,040
who saw the first part of it themselves

1385
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:35,800
you know you know it just doesn't add up

1386
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:38,770
it's a really lame excuse to try to say

1387
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:41,500
you know because the rest of the crew

1388
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:43,810
wasn't hypnotized you know what made

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them believe this happened you know

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:48,360
well here's another question from burnt

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State yeah and it's a good one and this

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01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:53,730
is something that I always point out

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:56,190
when your case comes up in a

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:02:58,050
conversation and then people are

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01:03:04,030 --> 01:03:01,530
wondering about it I always maintain

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01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,040
that you have been steadfast in your

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account you have never embellished it

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01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,010
you've never added or subtracted

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01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:10,440
anything from it and burn States

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01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:12,810
questionnaires unlike many other

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01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:15,270
abductees you have not changed or added

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01:03:21,070 --> 01:03:18,210
to your story nor have you destabilized

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01:03:24,859 --> 01:03:21,080
into a mystical or space brother

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terrain or territory what's your opinion

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Travis on other abductees claims such as

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Whitley Schreiber George Adamski and the

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ever-present stand Romanek let's have

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that answer in our next segment Travis

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okay we have Jean and Kris with Travis

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Walton you're in America first game

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attack of the rock codes and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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Travis Walton is here today to answer

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your questions and hours and he was

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asked one specific one by Chris from a

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01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:20,759
frequent poster on the forms burnt

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State Travis Canyon we have your

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01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:24,900
response now one of the things that

1504
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:26,910
really outraged me about some of the

1505
01:08:32,059 --> 01:08:29,220
skepticism was the people were passing

1506
01:08:34,999 --> 01:08:32,069
judgment on my case when they didn't

1507
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:35,009
have the even the most rudimentary facts

1508
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:37,080
of what happened I mean if you're gonna

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01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:38,490
attack something you ought to at least

1510
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:41,400
find out what I said before you start

1511
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:43,890
saying what I said wasn't true and so

1512
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:46,650
you know and in the first pages of my

1513
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:48,810
book I quote Emerson condemnation

1514
01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:51,690
without investigation is the height of

1515
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:54,240
ignorance so I've always tried to avoid

1516
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:58,319
doing that myself and undoubtedly as you

1517
01:09:01,550 --> 01:09:00,630
would expect being out there talking

1518
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:01,560
about this

1519
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:04,440
encountered a number of other reports

1520
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:07,410
and people have described certain things

1521
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,390
that have happened to them of a similar

1522
01:09:14,270 --> 01:09:12,480
nature and I'm always being asked my

1523
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:14,280
opinion about that sort of thing I've

1524
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,730
always stayed away from passing judgment

1525
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,400
on any particular case because unless

1526
01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:22,500
I've investigated I don't have the right

1527
01:09:28,190 --> 01:09:25,500
to be pointing a finger but I will say

1528
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:28,200
that there are a lot of good cases out

1529
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:31,490
there solid reports with good evidence

1530
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:34,980
that I personally believe is something

1531
01:09:40,670 --> 01:09:38,160
of a nature similar to what I've

1532
01:09:42,980 --> 01:09:40,680
experienced and then on the other hand

1533
01:09:45,170 --> 01:09:42,990
there's quite a number quite a large

1534
01:09:48,650 --> 01:09:45,180
number of cases that I think are of an

1535
01:09:51,290 --> 01:09:48,660
entirely different nature probably a

1536
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:51,300
number of different things other than

1537
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:53,780
the kind of thing that I experienced

1538
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:56,520
some are outright fabrications others

1539
01:10:02,620 --> 01:09:59,250
are you know just vivid dreams that

1540
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:02,630
people have mistaken sightings of

1541
01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:06,960
meteors aircraft or whatever but that

1542
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:10,200
that's not to take away one bit from the

1543
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:12,540
core reality here that this is a

1544
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:15,540
widespread phenomenon experienced by

1545
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:19,770
other people who do in my mind meet the

1546
01:10:25,730 --> 01:10:23,490
you know criteria necessary to you know

1547
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:25,740
you know accept what they're saying is

1548
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:28,980
it really happened well this brings me

1549
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:32,370
back to the movie fire in the sky which

1550
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:35,190
I enjoyed I must say and I recommend it

1551
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:38,910
to everyone out there to at least get a

1552
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:42,780
sense of what happened Tracy Torme who

1553
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:46,020
I've known for 20 years I think did a

1554
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:50,040
very very good job Tracy was a little

1555
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:53,640
bit how would I put this was a little

1556
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:55,470
bit peeved I think that the studio

1557
01:11:01,280 --> 01:10:57,650
wanted him to ratchet up the fear factor

1558
01:11:03,650 --> 01:11:01,290
especially obviously during the the

1559
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,660
actual scenes that were depicted while

1560
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:06,120
you were aboard the craft one glaring

1561
01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:08,580
omission that I've always kind of

1562
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:10,830
wondered about in terms of looking at

1563
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:12,930
the movie version of what happened

1564
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:14,900
versus your version in your

1565
01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:16,910
and that is the appearance of what

1566
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:19,630
appeared to be humans in uniforms and

1567
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:22,340
the whole scene where you were led into

1568
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:24,650
what appeared to be a hangar that was

1569
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:27,080
impossibly large for the size of the

1570
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:28,370
craft that you thought that you were

1571
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:32,030
aboard my first question is why was that

1572
01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:35,210
left out and then would you give us kind

1573
01:11:40,210 --> 01:11:37,580
of a description of of these humanoid

1574
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:40,220
types and how they interacted with you

1575
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:42,050
well you know it's not just a movie that

1576
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:43,850
left that out you know in countless

1577
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:46,640
write-ups about this magazine articles

1578
01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:49,370
interviews documentaries the presence of

1579
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:51,350
human looking beings has just avoided

1580
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:54,560
altogether to me that's a the most

1581
01:11:59,620 --> 01:11:57,530
intriguing question you know it led me

1582
01:12:02,830 --> 01:11:59,630
to wonder if there was some earth-based

1583
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:02,840
connection and you know it could be the

1584
01:12:07,660 --> 01:12:04,550
key to the whole thing but you know

1585
01:12:10,150 --> 01:12:07,670
people avoided and I think for the most

1586
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:10,160
part including the movie that this is

1587
01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:12,140
done if they're because they're trying

1588
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:15,800
to emphasize the the invading monsters

1589
01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:19,250
aspect of it I gave a talk to a group in

1590
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:21,470
Hollywood recently actors directors

1591
01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:23,480
producers and I was you know basically

1592
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:25,880
pleading with them and you know pointing

1593
01:12:31,570 --> 01:12:27,770
out that you know that there's a such a

1594
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:31,580
wealth of story material about the the

1595
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:34,520
civilizations on other planets without

1596
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:37,250
resorting to the invading monsters thing

1597
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:40,310
to you know this there's all kinds of

1598
01:12:46,170 --> 01:12:43,490
other fascinating storylines that they

1599
01:12:48,430 --> 01:12:46,180
could come up with without you know

1600
01:12:50,650 --> 01:12:48,440
demonizing and making this into a horror

1601
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:50,660
story why don't you describe these

1602
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:53,810
humanoid characters and give us what

1603
01:12:59,800 --> 01:12:57,040
your recollections would suggest are

1604
01:13:03,040 --> 01:12:59,810
beings that are very similar to us if

1605
01:13:05,290 --> 01:13:03,050
not maybe us give us kind of a sense of

1606
01:13:08,860 --> 01:13:05,300
who these beings were what your

1607
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:08,870
interactions were and the kind of role

1608
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:11,710
that they played with in this whole

1609
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:13,700
kaleidoscope of events that occurred

1610
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,010
while you were aboard the ship well you

1611
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:18,080
know the extreme fear that I was

1612
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:20,270
experiencing you know seeing a familiar

1613
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:22,730
form like that was it was a relief and I

1614
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:24,750
immediately interpreted as

1615
01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:27,930
a rescue you know their similarity to us

1616
01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:30,660
is led me immediately it assumed they

1617
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:33,300
were us but you know I'm more and more I

1618
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:35,250
think that that's not necessarily true

1619
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:39,030
at all you say similarity to us in what

1620
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:42,300
respects well you know they would pass

1621
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:44,430
in a crowd on earth they were you know

1622
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,580
tall healthy you know muscular young

1623
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:50,640
looking people but and you know kind of

1624
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:53,940
a like in a family sort of way but you

1625
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,280
know nothing that would draw that much

1626
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:59,280
attention in a crowd so you know my

1627
01:14:03,710 --> 01:14:01,380
assumption that they were from Earth was

1628
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:03,720
totally meant to be expected but in

1629
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:06,330
hindsight I'm not a lot of thinking

1630
01:14:11,420 --> 01:14:08,940
about these beings and in the small

1631
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:11,430
creatures I think that even in the case

1632
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,710
of the small creatures that there are

1633
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:16,560
probably a number of species that look

1634
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:19,110
similar but probably come from

1635
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:21,960
completely different planets and just

1636
01:14:26,980 --> 01:14:24,720
get lumped together now science fiction

1637
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:26,990
writers you know and even even the

1638
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scientists who speculate about life on

1639
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other worlds go to a ridiculous extent

1640
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:36,990
in my view of imagining the creatures

1641
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:39,830
that are so bizarre is to be

1642
01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:42,540
biologically impractical you know life

1643
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is designed around surviving in a given

1644
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environment and life supporting

1645
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environments are going to be of a

1646
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similar nature you know when they look

1647
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:56,070
at these stars out there and they judge

1648
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,920
whether a planet is possibly life

1649
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:01,920
supporting they're there they're you

1650
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:03,810
know it can't be too close to the star

1651
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so that it's too hot or too far away so

1652
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that it's frozen it's got to have water

1653
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you know these kinds of basic

1654
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requirements of life a shape or form of

1655
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that life you know one of the basic laws

1656
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:20,130
of biology here on the earth is that

1657
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:22,590
similar environments create similar

1658
01:15:29,690 --> 01:15:25,590
forms and you can have completely

1659
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:29,700
unrelated species here on the earth come

1660
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to look very much alike just because

1661
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:36,540
their environment is so similar even

1662
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:38,370
though they're unrelated I saw

1663
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,580
a number of examples of various you know

1664
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:43,920
animal species that look very much alike

1665
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,010
but aren't you know derived from each

1666
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:49,980
other and so that could be the case in

1667
01:15:58,190 --> 01:15:53,310
what's called the greys you know and

1668
01:16:01,340 --> 01:15:58,200
also in these human looking beings that

1669
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my prediction is that when a probe or

1670
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some sort of positive verification of

1671
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the nature of the life-forms on these

1672
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other life-supporting planets they're

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not going to be astounded out bizarre

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they are they're going to be amazed at

1675
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the similarities that arise

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independently of Earth how similar those

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forms are to life-forms on earth like

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Vulcans and earth people in Star Trek

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1782
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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

1783
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in to the para cast let me tell you what

1784
01:21:01,640 --> 01:20:58,140
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

1785
01:21:05,020 --> 01:21:01,650
probably won't hear anywhere else here

1786
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:05,030
that George Noory okay similar to us

1787
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:06,840
life-forms throughout the universe

1788
01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:09,600
humanoids interesting concept Travis

1789
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,390
Walton is here his book and the movie

1790
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:15,120
fire in the sky and a little bit later

1791
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this year he will be sponsoring the sky

1792
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fire summit Travis Waltons anniversary

1793
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UFO conference which if you want to get

1794
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:28,200
up there you're gonna see some great

1795
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:30,690
speakers we have loads of questions from

1796
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:32,250
our listeners and Chris our Bryan's

1797
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:34,650
gonna go to the next one Chris Travis

1798
01:21:38,690 --> 01:21:36,570
this question comes from Marduk who's

1799
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:38,700
one of our posters at forum dr. Perik

1800
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:43,890
asked calm and he starts out as his post

1801
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:46,230
with holy crap I would love to ask

1802
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:49,650
Travis about details about his time in

1803
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:52,830
the Star Chamber where if he remembers

1804
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:55,410
correctly you pull the lever and you

1805
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:57,330
were given an external view or a

1806
01:22:02,060 --> 01:21:59,250
simulation of the surrounding space

1807
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:02,070
outside of the craft and he's

1808
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,010
specifically interested in any sort of

1809
01:22:09,129 --> 01:22:06,800
user interface and

1810
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:09,139
what your impressions were if this was

1811
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:11,270
like some sort of navigational tool a

1812
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:14,900
pilot cockpit or he puts entertainment

1813
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:16,760
device kind of wondering about that one

1814
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:19,010
but what was this star chamber and I

1815
01:22:23,709 --> 01:22:20,510
remember from the book that you were

1816
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:23,719
given this this opportunity to look at

1817
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:25,520
the surrounding space around you could

1818
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,380
you kind of describe that scene for us

1819
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:29,840
well you know that's all speculation as

1820
01:22:34,810 --> 01:22:32,210
to what whether it was a projection a

1821
01:22:37,419 --> 01:22:34,820
star map or simulation or was actually a

1822
01:22:40,839 --> 01:22:37,429
viewing of where it was at you know in

1823
01:22:43,569 --> 01:22:40,849
in real time back then you know things

1824
01:22:45,879 --> 01:22:43,579
like touch screen hadn't been invented

1825
01:22:48,459 --> 01:22:45,889
so it never even occurred to me to touch

1826
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:48,469
the screen to see if there would be any

1827
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:52,340
effect from that and most of the buttons

1828
01:22:57,069 --> 01:22:54,650
I push didn't really seem to do anything

1829
01:22:59,589 --> 01:22:57,079
and you know of course wouldn't have

1830
01:23:00,399 --> 01:22:59,599
known how to operate it properly or what

1831
01:23:02,890 --> 01:23:00,409
it was for

1832
01:23:06,339 --> 01:23:02,900
well I was trying to do was open a door

1833
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:06,349
hoping to escape you know whether this

1834
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:10,329
was some technology that allowed one to

1835
01:23:18,819 --> 01:23:14,270
view through the sides of the craft or

1836
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:18,829
if it was just like a projection you

1837
01:23:26,169 --> 01:23:22,610
know a planetarium like simulation you

1838
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:26,179
know I was unable to you know tell the

1839
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:29,510
difference but when moving the lever

1840
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:32,210
moved the star pattern the entire

1841
01:23:38,169 --> 01:23:35,090
pattern moved in unison it wasn't like

1842
01:23:40,660 --> 01:23:38,179
Stars moving relative to each other but

1843
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:40,670
that was very disorienting because of

1844
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:43,489
this projection was 360 degrees all

1845
01:23:48,850 --> 01:23:46,790
around me actually in a few years ago I

1846
01:23:51,069 --> 01:23:48,860
went through some kind of a carnival

1847
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:51,079
thing where you're walking through this

1848
01:23:58,209 --> 01:23:55,520
tunnel and and and they've got a big

1849
01:24:00,729 --> 01:23:58,219
barrel surrounding you and points of

1850
01:24:02,770 --> 01:24:00,739
light are rotating around and it's

1851
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:02,780
extremely disoriented and it's very hard

1852
01:24:09,459 --> 01:24:05,449
to walk upright because it you know your

1853
01:24:11,709 --> 01:24:09,469
your visual cues to the vertical are

1854
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:11,719
distorted by and don't mean all these

1855
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:14,000
patterns moving around you you know I

1856
01:24:18,910 --> 01:24:17,210
wasn't I wasn't like gee whiz look look

1857
01:24:20,379 --> 01:24:18,920
at this neat technology you know

1858
01:24:22,259 --> 01:24:20,389
exploring kind of thing

1859
01:24:25,330 --> 01:24:22,269
this kind of a hysterical desperate

1860
01:24:27,790 --> 01:24:25,340
mindless button pushing to try to open a

1861
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:27,800
door well but I tell you I probably

1862
01:24:33,069 --> 01:24:29,570
would been pushing buttons and pulling

1863
01:24:35,529 --> 01:24:33,079
levers myself if I were in your shoes in

1864
01:24:39,549 --> 01:24:35,539
that situation but it sounds like the

1865
01:24:42,189 --> 01:24:39,559
technology may have not been as exalted

1866
01:24:44,409 --> 01:24:42,199
as perhaps you would expect aboard a

1867
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:44,419
craft of this sort have you ever

1868
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:46,489
entertained the possibility that maybe

1869
01:24:52,389 --> 01:24:49,010
this was some sort of like strange

1870
01:24:53,109 --> 01:24:52,399
military psyops experiment that you had

1871
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:53,119
oh yeah

1872
01:24:59,319 --> 01:24:56,209
become an unfitting participant in in

1873
01:25:01,870 --> 01:24:59,329
something very earthbound and in very

1874
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:01,880
classified yeah I really did think about

1875
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:04,010
that you know the idea that there was

1876
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:06,050
somebody from any military intelligence

1877
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:08,510
getting involved and claiming to be a

1878
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:11,510
nearby witness you know added to that

1879
01:25:17,020 --> 01:25:14,719
and you know the you know the whole

1880
01:25:19,540 --> 01:25:17,030
reality testing I was doing about what

1881
01:25:21,639 --> 01:25:19,550
had to happen here you know I was

1882
01:25:24,069 --> 01:25:21,649
grasping at any kind of an explanation

1883
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:24,079
and yeah I wondered especially you know

1884
01:25:28,169 --> 01:25:25,610
with the appearance of human looking

1885
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:28,179
beings there if this wasn't some kind of

1886
01:25:35,859 --> 01:25:32,090
mind-control experiment of some kind and

1887
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:35,869
you know I I went on online and looked

1888
01:25:41,109 --> 01:25:39,260
up mind-control and I was amazed you

1889
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:41,119
know I had no idea that you know that

1890
01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:45,289
this was a an area that our government

1891
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:47,719
had been so deeply into there were so

1892
01:25:53,889 --> 01:25:50,329
many things online it was astonishing

1893
01:25:56,589 --> 01:25:53,899
well that kind of begs the question what

1894
01:25:59,500 --> 01:25:56,599
did these humanoid beings that you

1895
01:26:02,290 --> 01:25:59,510
encountered give us a sense of their

1896
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:02,300
personalities their demeanor what what

1897
01:26:07,299 --> 01:26:04,489
sort of interactions did it have with

1898
01:26:09,339 --> 01:26:07,309
them what did they stay were they trying

1899
01:26:11,109 --> 01:26:09,349
to calm you down were they trying to

1900
01:26:14,979 --> 01:26:11,119
give you information

1901
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:14,989
I was certainly screaming and pleading

1902
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:17,570
and begging for information and they

1903
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:20,840
seemed determined not providing they

1904
01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:25,130
were totally silent and I don't think

1905
01:26:30,819 --> 01:26:27,880
they were mute I think they were

1906
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:30,829
refusing to speak and it might just be

1907
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,250
that they realized that in my total

1908
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:37,760
hysteria my total loss of control there

1909
01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:40,190
was no consoling me there was no calming

1910
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:44,180
me down we have some other questions you

1911
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:46,280
know did you remember ever drinking

1912
01:26:50,860 --> 01:26:48,890
water eating food having to go to the

1913
01:26:54,940 --> 01:26:50,870
bathroom do you have any sort of you

1914
01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:54,950
know basic human needs recollections you

1915
01:27:00,910 --> 01:26:57,350
were gone five days you came back a

1916
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:00,920
World Edition do you remember any sort

1917
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,520
of medical procedures to maybe supply

1918
01:27:11,410 --> 01:27:07,840
you with some sort of liquid sustenance

1919
01:27:14,830 --> 01:27:11,420
intravenously or any sort of sense of

1920
01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:14,840
maintaining your physical body well you

1921
01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:16,780
know over the course of five days

1922
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:19,460
naturally all those sorts of things

1923
01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:21,590
would have been it would have had to

1924
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:25,630
have occurred so being unable to

1925
01:27:31,060 --> 01:27:28,850
remember that that portion of it I can't

1926
01:27:32,890 --> 01:27:31,070
give the details about what happened

1927
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:32,900
there but you know it had to been fed

1928
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:34,370
would have have been supplied water

1929
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:37,310
waste and the whole thing that that

1930
01:27:42,610 --> 01:27:41,030
brief conscious period certainly wasn't

1931
01:27:46,210 --> 01:27:42,620
suddenly don't know a meal or anything

1932
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:46,220
and during that you know rather they

1933
01:27:53,260 --> 01:27:50,050
motional II intense a period time oh

1934
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:53,270
yeah well you know who knows whether

1935
01:28:00,640 --> 01:27:55,490
with a technology that advanced what

1936
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:00,650
method of you know hydration and

1937
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:03,290
nutrient replacement they might have you

1938
01:28:09,340 --> 01:28:06,290
know it could be that if I was in a coma

1939
01:28:11,980 --> 01:28:09,350
of a part of that time that they might

1940
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:11,990
have some way of administering nutrition

1941
01:28:18,730 --> 01:28:15,710
you know just by bathing the body in a

1942
01:28:20,380 --> 01:28:18,740
solution or you know even the way they

1943
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:20,390
do it in hospitals where they can

1944
01:28:27,700 --> 01:28:23,810
intubate people and and you know

1945
01:28:34,270 --> 01:28:27,710
introduce food into their stomach who

1946
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,280
knows it's kind of futile to speculate

1947
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:36,320
on that kind of stuff because I just

1948
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:39,860
have no clue when you awakened on the

1949
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:42,650
road in the forest you got up did you

1950
01:28:48,450 --> 01:28:45,440
have to run to the bathroom or something

1951
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:48,460
that you feel hungry

1952
01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:51,010
any of these common sensation it was

1953
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:52,780
some hunger and there was some

1954
01:28:59,790 --> 01:28:56,320
dehydration there was quite a pronounced

1955
01:29:02,910 --> 01:28:59,800
weight loss that was restored in a

1956
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:02,920
matter of hours just by the next day my

1957
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:05,740
weighted returned to normal so that wait

1958
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:09,040
wait wait okay just stop a second I just

1959
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:11,470
have to understand this a big weight

1960
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:13,750
loss away yourself did you look skinnier

1961
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:15,160
and suddenly you were back to them yeah

1962
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:18,970
yeah when I was returned my brother's

1963
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:22,570
helped me get on the scale and you know

1964
01:29:27,390 --> 01:29:24,850
I was lighter than I had been in

1965
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:27,400
previous days you know you you you there

1966
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,430
you got bathroom scale you just upon him

1967
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:32,800
every morning you know sure and you know

1968
01:29:40,110 --> 01:29:37,960
but it was we took the scales to the

1969
01:29:43,940 --> 01:29:40,120
doctor's office and compared them to his

1970
01:29:48,270 --> 01:29:43,950
you know trying to you know verify that

1971
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:48,280
the you know his way doctor scales

1972
01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:52,090
versus mine and there was a weight loss

1973
01:29:58,710 --> 01:29:55,510
there that I recovered from very quickly

1974
01:30:02,030 --> 01:29:58,720
that you know the only way that would

1975
01:30:08,910 --> 01:30:02,040
happen was if it was due primarily to

1976
01:30:10,590 --> 01:30:08,920
dehydration rather than starvation so if

1977
01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:10,600
they were supplying hydration that

1978
01:30:17,070 --> 01:30:14,920
wasn't quite adequate for what was

1979
01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:17,080
necessary that they may have had a

1980
01:30:21,390 --> 01:30:18,790
reason for that I'm gonna ask some

1981
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:21,400
specific questions about that before we

1982
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,930
get to our next question from a listener

1983
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:25,120
in our next segment Travis Walton is

1984
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here with Jean and Chris you're in the

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this is Nate Pope's you're listening to

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the parrot rock

2095
01:35:00,830 --> 01:34:58,950
Travis Walton wrote fire in the sky a

2096
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movie of the same name with a

2097
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:02,880
fictionalized account of his UFO

2098
01:35:08,330 --> 01:35:04,410
abduction experience you're on with Gene

2099
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:08,340
and Kris ^ cast so ok trying to clarify

2100
01:35:14,420 --> 01:35:11,570
this here what did you weigh

2101
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:14,430
specifically Travis before this episode

2102
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:16,530
occurred if since you mentioned you know

2103
01:35:20,450 --> 01:35:17,910
going on the bathroom scale and

2104
01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:20,460
everything so I woke up this morning I

2105
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:22,830
weighed myself after exercising I weigh

2106
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:25,710
184 what did you weigh I really don't

2107
01:35:31,730 --> 01:35:29,010
remember the exact figures you know at

2108
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:31,740
the time I wrote him down at the time

2109
01:35:37,730 --> 01:35:34,770
but you know it was 5 or 10 pounds

2110
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:37,740
something was the difference between you

2111
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:39,330
know my normal weight and then what I

2112
01:35:44,990 --> 01:35:41,850
weighed immediately afterwards and then

2113
01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:45,000
and then you know totally recovered from

2114
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:46,950
you're saying a few hours saying you

2115
01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:50,610
weigh 170 pounds and you get back you

2116
01:35:57,170 --> 01:35:52,590
weigh 160 but in a few hours you weigh

2117
01:35:59,360 --> 01:35:57,180
170 again yeah alright just trying to

2118
01:36:01,520 --> 01:35:59,370
understand this yeah whether was 500

2119
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,530
pounds I don't remember right now but

2120
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:03,600
I'm sure I wrote it in the book but you

2121
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:05,610
know let's just not figure I carry

2122
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:08,490
around in my head but all that was

2123
01:36:13,690 --> 01:36:10,440
documented with you know the doctor

2124
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:13,700
scales and women so when they finally

2125
01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:17,520
got you back and you finally connected

2126
01:36:22,460 --> 01:36:19,080
the authorities they sent you to the

2127
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:22,470
hospital for examination yeah well the

2128
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:24,900
first medical examination was two

2129
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:28,110
doctors came to the house and in did a

2130
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:30,330
thorough exam there and then the next

2131
01:36:37,730 --> 01:36:33,840
morning I went in to the office for the

2132
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:37,740
further testing and then some of that

2133
01:36:44,630 --> 01:36:40,920
was sent out they you know like to have

2134
01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:44,640
Barrow's neurological and and the heart

2135
01:36:52,700 --> 01:36:48,450
place were they did to eat EKGs the

2136
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:52,710
heart monitoring so there were a number

2137
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:55,890
of tests that were you know gotten to it

2138
01:37:00,650 --> 01:36:58,050
was really fairly urgent to get them

2139
01:37:02,660 --> 01:37:00,660
done fairly quickly you know the concern

2140
01:37:04,850 --> 01:37:02,670
being just you know what were the

2141
01:37:08,910 --> 01:37:04,860
after-effects of this experience

2142
01:37:10,830 --> 01:37:08,920
including being hit by that energy

2143
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:10,840
well that kind of leads us to another

2144
01:37:16,530 --> 01:37:14,380
question from fast Walker who posted at

2145
01:37:19,170 --> 01:37:16,540
the question Bank at forum dr. Perik

2146
01:37:22,190 --> 01:37:19,180
asked calm and he's wondering if you've

2147
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:22,200
had any medical conditions or ailments

2148
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:25,930
maybe since the abduction event or have

2149
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:28,120
you recently come into being have

2150
01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:30,040
recently come into being that you

2151
01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:32,110
suspect our results of the abduction in

2152
01:37:36,300 --> 01:37:34,270
other words have you had any sort of

2153
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:36,310
medical conditions that you can tie to

2154
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:40,960
the event and the I guess the the

2155
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:44,050
inverse of this is did you have any

2156
01:37:48,570 --> 01:37:46,330
allergies or any other conditions before

2157
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:48,580
the experience that you that were cured

2158
01:37:54,510 --> 01:37:52,330
by that and his follow-up question to

2159
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,520
that is do you find your mental

2160
01:37:59,010 --> 01:37:56,320
condition to be one of increasing

2161
01:38:01,560 --> 01:37:59,020
clarity after all these years since this

2162
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:01,570
event or do you feel your mental

2163
01:38:08,460 --> 01:38:06,130
condition is is about the same well you

2164
01:38:10,650 --> 01:38:08,470
know I I really used to duct those kind

2165
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:10,660
of questions a lot because I really

2166
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:13,650
didn't want to be the bug in the jar but

2167
01:38:20,570 --> 01:38:16,810
you know many people report having

2168
01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:20,580
various medical problems as a result of

2169
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:23,590
contact some kind but it's been quite

2170
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:28,300
the opposite for me um I've just been

2171
01:38:40,670 --> 01:38:36,330
hesitated to ever report anything that I

2172
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:40,680
can't first prove so I went in to my

2173
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:43,210
employer and got a printout of my

2174
01:38:49,710 --> 01:38:46,090
attendance record and you know in the

2175
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:49,720
last thirty nine years I never called in

2176
01:39:01,020 --> 01:38:57,280
sick one time and I just you know don't

2177
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:01,030
get sick if the whole family comes down

2178
01:39:04,110 --> 01:39:02,650
with it and they're sick in bed for

2179
01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:04,120
three or four days I might have some

2180
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:06,100
vague symptoms come on for a few hours

2181
01:39:10,380 --> 01:39:08,950
and then it's gone and I don't know well

2182
01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:10,390
you know it could just be that I take

2183
01:39:15,390 --> 01:39:13,030
good care of myself and got good

2184
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:15,400
genetics you could you know be unrelated

2185
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:18,610
but I don't have any negative health

2186
01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:21,130
effects from it well you seem like a

2187
01:39:27,580 --> 01:39:22,820
like a healthy guy

2188
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:27,590
I I met you back in 2009 at the the I

2189
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:30,350
think the first Aztec conference and I

2190
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:33,470
remember you know four years I mean I

2191
01:39:42,130 --> 01:39:37,810
must admit Travis I've been a huge I

2192
01:39:44,500 --> 01:39:42,140
can't say fan of yours I mean I really

2193
01:39:46,420 --> 01:39:44,510
feel that you were kind of victimized in

2194
01:39:48,910 --> 01:39:46,430
in this situation but I remember my

2195
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:48,920
first semester in college reading all

2196
01:39:53,950 --> 01:39:51,500
the news reports about your your you

2197
01:39:56,230 --> 01:39:53,960
know incredible claim and in your

2198
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:56,240
encounter and I've always wanted to meet

2199
01:40:00,820 --> 01:39:57,890
you and I finally got a chance to meet

2200
01:40:02,740 --> 01:40:00,830
you in 2009 and I remember that you were

2201
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:02,750
really excited because you had had

2202
01:40:08,710 --> 01:40:05,600
confirmation from an Air Force officer

2203
01:40:11,530 --> 01:40:08,720
about some sort of activity that had

2204
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:11,540
been reported by this gentleman right in

2205
01:40:17,770 --> 01:40:14,450
the time frame where your event occurred

2206
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:17,780
in November 75 do you want to talk about

2207
01:40:21,130 --> 01:40:19,250
that a little bit you haven't really

2208
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:21,140
mentioned much about that publicly no I

2209
01:40:26,530 --> 01:40:23,410
I don't I don't I don't have a lot of

2210
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:26,540
specifics but you know it came to you

2211
01:40:31,450 --> 01:40:28,250
know my attention here recently that

2212
01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:31,460
there were a whole series of during

2213
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:33,950
during 1975 and right in that time

2214
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:38,090
period there were a number of close

2215
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:41,210
encounters reported by the military

2216
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:45,290
around nuclear facilities especially

2217
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:51,500
across the northern United States but in

2218
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:53,600
in various places where there was

2219
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:55,730
nuclear installations they had these

2220
01:41:00,970 --> 01:40:59,360
unexplained visits right around

2221
01:41:04,150 --> 01:41:00,980
Malmstrom Air Force Base in the miss

2222
01:41:06,250 --> 01:41:04,160
fields there off it I think had an

2223
01:41:08,230 --> 01:41:06,260
encounter or two but wasn't there some

2224
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:08,240
Air Force officer that claimed he saw

2225
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,030
had a sighting down in the area in

2226
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:13,760
Arizona where where your event occurred

2227
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,140
oh yeah there was actually a number and

2228
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:20,960
you know later on after the case was

2229
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:23,840
closed the sheriff's file revealed that

2230
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:26,690
people who had been camping in the area

2231
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:29,750
at the time reported sightings that

2232
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:35,390
described the craft that we saw and but

2233
01:41:38,260 --> 01:41:36,650
probably not everyone

2234
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:38,270
that's all something has come forward

2235
01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:39,440
because you know some of them have just

2236
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:41,480
been people who just call up and said

2237
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:44,930
yeah I I saw this but you know just what

2238
01:41:50,260 --> 01:41:48,320
kind of undocumented right clifford

2239
01:41:53,980 --> 01:41:50,270
mahooty who's going to be speaking at

2240
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:53,990
the Skyfire conference or summit is one

2241
01:41:58,810 --> 01:41:55,850
of those people who had you know

2242
01:42:00,880 --> 01:41:58,820
multiple witness sighting of a craft

2243
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:00,890
that hovered right over the Zuni Pueblo

2244
01:42:06,700 --> 01:42:03,890
they were actually able to see what

2245
01:42:12,610 --> 01:42:06,710
appeared to be beings walking in front

2246
01:42:14,890 --> 01:42:12,620
of you know backlit through windows but

2247
01:42:17,170 --> 01:42:14,900
I seem to recall that this particular

2248
01:42:20,350 --> 01:42:17,180
air force officer was down in the area

2249
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:20,360
and had a sighting I think it's not that

2250
01:42:25,630 --> 01:42:22,430
same night within that same couple day

2251
01:42:28,420 --> 01:42:25,640
time period well you may be referring to

2252
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,430
the the this guy coming forward there

2253
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:31,840
was actually a witness to my incident

2254
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,910
coming forward he said that you know he

2255
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:36,800
had been deer hunting with his wife and

2256
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:39,050
he was on the next Ridge and when he

2257
01:42:43,390 --> 01:42:40,790
called up and described this you know

2258
01:42:45,610 --> 01:42:43,400
this is remote country and you you know

2259
01:42:48,220 --> 01:42:45,620
you'd have to be out there to be able to

2260
01:42:52,630 --> 01:42:48,230
describe the terrain which is never in

2261
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:52,640
any news report you know and so I told

2262
01:42:59,380 --> 01:42:55,520
Tracy Torme about it and and then I just

2263
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:59,390
forgot about it but apparently paramount

2264
01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:01,040
flew him out to Hollywood and

2265
01:43:07,330 --> 01:43:04,940
interviewed him and and then decided to

2266
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:07,340
give him lie detector test now at the

2267
01:43:10,810 --> 01:43:08,870
time he was telling me that he was

2268
01:43:13,390 --> 01:43:10,820
saying that the reason he didn't come

2269
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:13,400
forward at the time was that he was in

2270
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:15,650
military intelligence at the time and

2271
01:43:20,290 --> 01:43:18,800
that he asked his superiors should he

2272
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:20,300
come forward because these guys were

2273
01:43:28,090 --> 01:43:24,490
accused of murder and he said that his

2274
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:28,100
commanding officer said well unless

2275
01:43:31,810 --> 01:43:29,630
they're actually indicted you should

2276
01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:31,820
just stay out of it and he said he had

2277
01:43:39,610 --> 01:43:33,800
always regretted not coming forward so

2278
01:43:41,410 --> 01:43:39,620
when paramount had him polygraphed they

2279
01:43:44,380 --> 01:43:41,420
discovered that he was telling the truth

2280
01:43:46,990 --> 01:43:44,390
about being in military intelligence and

2281
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:47,000
then he was on the next Ridge and he saw

2282
01:43:50,740 --> 01:43:49,130
the glow of the craft through the trees

2283
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:50,750
and even

2284
01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:53,450
the flash and the beam when it struck me

2285
01:43:59,980 --> 01:43:57,260
and he passed a test on that but when he

2286
01:44:03,670 --> 01:43:59,990
took another test about being in

2287
01:44:06,820 --> 01:44:03,680
connection with this effort to discredit

2288
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:06,830
the incident and the cover-up the

2289
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:11,570
debunkers he flunked that one so nicely

2290
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:15,440
paramount you know I was pretty Stern in

2291
01:44:20,710 --> 01:44:18,410
their warnings about what he might be up

2292
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:20,720
to and and he kind of disappeared from

2293
01:44:26,530 --> 01:44:24,170
the scene but years later I talked to a

2294
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:26,540
guy that was a member one of these what

2295
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:28,850
do you call him Patriot groups or

2296
01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:33,010
something like that and this guy was

2297
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:38,240
actually at that group as an infiltrator

2298
01:44:46,510 --> 01:44:43,100
and so and he was was telling them about

2299
01:44:49,810 --> 01:44:46,520
having been present when this incident

2300
01:44:53,740 --> 01:44:49,820
happened and so you know there was some

2301
01:44:56,140 --> 01:44:53,750
kind of a cohort military thing going on

2302
01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:56,150
there that it's kind of scary to think

2303
01:45:02,650 --> 01:44:59,050
about and there has been a number of

2304
01:45:04,990 --> 01:45:02,660
things that suggest that some of the

2305
01:45:07,900 --> 01:45:05,000
efforts to discredit this are linked to

2306
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:07,910
some kind of covert agency I've got a

2307
01:45:11,650 --> 01:45:09,650
lot more to ask you Chris has a lot more

2308
01:45:13,630 --> 01:45:11,660
to ask you and our listeners have many

2309
01:45:15,490 --> 01:45:13,640
more questions we'll try to get to most

2310
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:15,500
of them Travis Walton with Jean and

2311
01:45:26,419 --> 01:45:18,130
Chris you're in

2312
01:45:32,660 --> 01:45:30,140
great minds think alike the network for

2313
01:45:38,450 --> 01:45:32,670
the independent finding the genesis

2314
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:38,460
communications network G C no no no I

2315
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:40,710
refuse to age how would you like to

2316
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:42,810
refuse or even reverse the signs of

2317
01:45:46,820 --> 01:45:44,730
aging you can with a breakthrough

2318
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,830
skincare line that utilizes growth

2319
01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:48,960
factors and plant stem cells to visibly

2320
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:50,820
turn back the clock it's clinically

2321
01:45:57,950 --> 01:45:53,730
proven and the results are stunning call

2322
01:46:01,939 --> 01:45:57,960
one eight four four 500 zero eight one

2323
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:01,949
five one eight four four 500 zero eight

2324
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:03,960
one five or visit

2325
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:07,440
I refuse to age calm hi this is Ted

2326
01:46:10,939 --> 01:46:08,880
Anderson have you ever wondered why

2327
01:46:12,919 --> 01:46:10,949
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2328
01:46:14,689 --> 01:46:12,929
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2329
01:46:16,490 --> 01:46:14,699
available since nineteen eighty six yet

2330
01:46:18,050 --> 01:46:16,500
the financial industry won't recognize

2331
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:18,060
the value of gold for your retirement

2332
01:46:21,950 --> 01:46:20,400
goal has outperformed paper investments

2333
01:46:23,630 --> 01:46:21,960
yet no word about IRAs

2334
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:23,640
if you would like to have gold for your

2335
01:46:29,149 --> 01:46:27,330
retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

2336
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:29,159
left behind by rising inflation and low

2337
01:47:27,189 --> 01:46:33,210
returns call 866 to 237 secure your

2338
01:47:29,899 --> 01:47:27,199
future and call 1-866-376-8255

2339
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:29,909
188 eight nine one two one five nine

2340
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:32,340
five that's one eight eight eight nine

2341
01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:34,650
one two one five nine five one eight

2342
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:36,870
eight eight nine one two one five nine

2343
01:47:51,950 --> 01:47:47,610
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2344
01:48:00,570 --> 01:47:51,960
standard of paranormal radio and now

2345
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:00,580
here's Jane Steinberg Travis Walton is

2346
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:03,520
here his book fire in the sky the movie

2347
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,600
fire in the sky coming in November we

2348
01:48:15,570 --> 01:48:10,320
have that special event the sky fire

2349
01:48:17,850 --> 01:48:15,580
summit yeah www sky fire summit calm

2350
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:17,860
I can't wait javis it's really gonna be

2351
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:20,650
fun I love Heber it's a beautiful area

2352
01:48:27,710 --> 01:48:24,490
up there I camped all along the Mogollon

2353
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:27,720
Rim from Turkey Creek all the way west

2354
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:31,840
you know to you know just down the road

2355
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:35,650
from my house we're talking about this

2356
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:40,030
this person that came forward that kind

2357
01:48:44,220 --> 01:48:41,530
of gives a hint that there may have been

2358
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:44,230
some sort of government activity going

2359
01:48:49,170 --> 01:48:46,450
on some sort of covert military activity

2360
01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:49,180
going on in and around the area on the

2361
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:50,830
Mogollon Rim where this incident

2362
01:48:57,540 --> 01:48:53,410
occurred in November 75 and I have a

2363
01:49:00,510 --> 01:48:57,550
question from Harry Newton calls himself

2364
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:00,520
hand he's one of our dedicated posters

2365
01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:03,760
at forum dr. Perik asked calm and his

2366
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:05,830
first question is have you ever been

2367
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:09,090
questioned by quote a government agency

2368
01:49:13,530 --> 01:49:11,110
unquote regarding the construction

2369
01:49:16,410 --> 01:49:13,540
performance or control of the UFO that

2370
01:49:18,780 --> 01:49:16,420
you were taken aboard or I would expand

2371
01:49:20,940 --> 01:49:18,790
it and say has anyone from the military

2372
01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:20,950
or the government ever quizzed you about

2373
01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:23,500
your experience no and you know that's

2374
01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:25,720
what's really strange is that they've

2375
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:28,870
been so totally hands-off and I'm not

2376
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:30,970
even trying to suggest that there's any

2377
01:49:37,770 --> 01:49:33,730
reason for it but even my foremost

2378
01:49:40,740 --> 01:49:37,780
detractor just harassed other members of

2379
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:40,750
the crew and never once attempted to

2380
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:42,610
contact me at all

2381
01:49:47,250 --> 01:49:45,250
never never a word talking about fill

2382
01:49:50,670 --> 01:49:47,260
class there was a Freedom of Information

2383
01:49:52,890 --> 01:49:50,680
Act request on his FBI file and it turns

2384
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:52,900
out that he was under investigation a

2385
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:55,840
number of times for revealing classified

2386
01:50:01,650 --> 01:49:57,010
information

2387
01:50:04,050 --> 01:50:01,660
and they chose not to talking about here

2388
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:04,060
but we're talking about Philip Glass it

2389
01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:06,130
was under specification by the FBI for

2390
01:50:11,130 --> 01:50:08,680
revealing classified information in

2391
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:11,140
connection with his job as a as an

2392
01:50:16,770 --> 01:50:13,450
editor to Aviation Week in specially

2393
01:50:20,210 --> 01:50:16,780
calm way there's a memo in the file from

2394
01:50:22,620 --> 01:50:20,220
the director of the FBI j.edgar hoover

2395
01:50:25,410 --> 01:50:22,630
to the director of the central

2396
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:25,420
intelligence agency basically turning

2397
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:27,850
the matter over to them they were saying

2398
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:31,450
in there that they were deciding not to

2399
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:35,580
prosecute because to discuss these

2400
01:50:42,630 --> 01:50:39,730
security breaches in court would you

2401
01:50:45,390 --> 01:50:42,640
know further compromised the secrets but

2402
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:45,400
right when things we prosecuted people

2403
01:50:49,710 --> 01:50:47,530
are prosecuted for this all the time and

2404
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:49,720
all they do is swear in the judges and

2405
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:52,030
everybody involved and and they would

2406
01:50:56,220 --> 01:50:54,610
you would never be able to prosecute

2407
01:50:58,740 --> 01:50:56,230
anyone for revealing classified

2408
01:51:02,040 --> 01:50:58,750
information if that was the criteria

2409
01:51:05,930 --> 01:51:02,050
that you know to prosecute it would

2410
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:05,940
further bring it out so it's it's

2411
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:10,290
standard CIA recruitment tactics to gain

2412
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:13,030
control of someone or influence over

2413
01:51:20,220 --> 01:51:15,610
them to have some sort of prosecutable

2414
01:51:22,979 --> 01:51:20,230
offense to as leverage and you know I'm

2415
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:22,989
not saying that I think that they turned

2416
01:51:29,190 --> 01:51:26,530
him into a skeptic but they certainly

2417
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:29,200
gained the ability to direct his

2418
01:51:37,020 --> 01:51:32,890
activities and maybe help him out

2419
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:37,030
because some of his efforts to discredit

2420
01:51:43,770 --> 01:51:40,930
me you know Travis you're speaking of

2421
01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:43,780
efforts to discredit you was it the

2422
01:51:49,620 --> 01:51:46,870
Montel Williams Show in the mid 90s that

2423
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:49,630
you and Mike were on where class was

2424
01:51:53,850 --> 01:51:51,880
sitting there foaming at the mouth in

2425
01:51:55,590 --> 01:51:53,860
the front row was that the show that was

2426
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:55,600
that was that was a Larry King show

2427
01:52:01,890 --> 01:51:59,530
and that was coincidentally right after

2428
01:52:06,590 --> 01:52:01,900
that military intelligence guy called me

2429
01:52:10,410 --> 01:52:06,600
up why because in that situation I

2430
01:52:12,300 --> 01:52:10,420
Philip Glass was never spoke to me he

2431
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:12,310
in another part of the studio brought in

2432
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:15,250
by monitor never addressed me and I

2433
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:18,190
never addressed him and till the day he

2434
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:20,320
died he never attempted to call me a

2435
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:22,090
write to me or phone me up or anything

2436
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:24,880
and that was his modus operandi you know

2437
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:29,110
as to is to call up UFO experiences and

2438
01:52:36,510 --> 01:52:33,130
try to trip him up or in some way you

2439
01:52:38,370 --> 01:52:36,520
know misquote them creatively edit what

2440
01:52:40,410 --> 01:52:38,380
they say to make it look like they said

2441
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,420
something they didn't but not a single

2442
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:42,400
letter not a single phone call from him

2443
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:46,060
even though he harassed Mike and one of

2444
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:48,070
the guys on the crew the youngest guy he

2445
01:52:54,180 --> 01:52:51,190
was actually offered $10,000 from

2446
01:52:56,370 --> 01:52:54,190
Phillip class to discredit the incident

2447
01:52:58,050 --> 01:52:56,380
money that was never exchanged because

2448
01:53:01,740 --> 01:52:58,060
of course there was nothing to discredit

2449
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:01,750
but this was this $10,000 what I call it

2450
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:05,410
a bribe was pushed for quite some time

2451
01:53:15,660 --> 01:53:10,990
to try to get Steve to say something to

2452
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,670
do this discredit the case and you know

2453
01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:17,440
there's a whole lot of things that you

2454
01:53:23,580 --> 01:53:21,790
know about classes activities that just

2455
01:53:26,490 --> 01:53:23,590
don't square with somebody simply

2456
01:53:28,260 --> 01:53:26,500
researching for an anti UFO book I mean

2457
01:53:31,470 --> 01:53:28,270
he invested way too much money in it

2458
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:31,480
it's lying texas and taking steve out to

2459
01:53:36,150 --> 01:53:34,210
dinner and where's this $10,000 going to

2460
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:36,160
come from you know I doubt he made that

2461
01:53:43,230 --> 01:53:41,410
much of a an anti UFO book well he made

2462
01:53:46,590 --> 01:53:43,240
a bet with Stanton Friedman that he lost

2463
01:53:48,780 --> 01:53:46,600
and paid him a thousand dollars so well

2464
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,790
he bet me and I proved him wrong but he

2465
01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:51,520
never paid me but come my way man Travis

2466
01:53:58,860 --> 01:53:53,830
maybe he needed the money to pay off

2467
01:54:01,260 --> 01:53:58,870
Stanton well well that leads to another

2468
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,270
question from one of our listeners you

2469
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:03,520
know I've noticed here in the last five

2470
01:54:09,630 --> 01:54:05,770
years that other members of the crew

2471
01:54:12,150 --> 01:54:09,640
that witnessed this event have come

2472
01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:12,160
forward finally and have decided to be

2473
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:15,310
become publicly acknowledged for for for

2474
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,560
their role in this event what sort of

2475
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:19,360
relationship now do you have with those

2476
01:54:23,670 --> 01:54:21,370
original crew members that were out

2477
01:54:24,250 --> 01:54:23,680
there logging with you so well that's

2478
01:54:29,230 --> 01:54:24,260
the

2479
01:54:31,690 --> 01:54:29,240
here is that we were never a group of

2480
01:54:34,060 --> 01:54:31,700
buddies working together we didn't even

2481
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:34,070
hang out together when we were off the

2482
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:37,610
job we were there too as co-workers and

2483
01:54:43,180 --> 01:54:40,970
you know so I really lost touch with a

2484
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:43,190
lot of these guys to the point where you

2485
01:54:47,710 --> 01:54:45,470
know it was after a couple of them died

2486
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:47,720
it was months before I found out about

2487
01:55:04,780 --> 01:54:49,210
it

2488
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:04,790
everyone together again you know and you

2489
01:55:10,030 --> 01:55:06,800
know have some sort of a you know you

2490
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:10,040
know comparing notes or whatever after

2491
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:12,170
all these years but you know now that a

2492
01:55:16,930 --> 01:55:14,060
couple of you passed away that would be

2493
01:55:20,230 --> 01:55:16,940
rather incomplete but the most recent

2494
01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:20,240
production that gotten most of the crew

2495
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:22,540
and a lot of people who had never been

2496
01:55:29,500 --> 01:55:26,560
interviewed at all was the sci-fi series

2497
01:55:32,530 --> 01:55:29,510
paranormal witness they did an hour and

2498
01:55:34,510 --> 01:55:32,540
a half just on my case you know for the

2499
01:55:37,870 --> 01:55:34,520
first time going outside their one hour

2500
01:55:39,940 --> 01:55:37,880
format and it was really the best of

2501
01:55:42,610 --> 01:55:39,950
dozens of documentaries that have been

2502
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:42,620
done on in the last 39 years I'm going

2503
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:44,330
to want to ask you more about this in

2504
01:55:49,090 --> 01:55:46,250
this segment and we will get into this

2505
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:49,100
further next time you mentioned someone

2506
01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:51,410
who took a polygraph test administered

2507
01:55:58,860 --> 01:55:55,070
by Paramount Pictures you also were

2508
01:56:00,220 --> 01:55:58,870
subjected to what to polygraphs

2509
01:56:02,290 --> 01:56:00,230
five-five-five

2510
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:02,300
I've passed five different lie detector

2511
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:04,850
tests by three different examiner's all

2512
01:56:09,370 --> 01:56:07,130
of whom had extensive years in law

2513
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:09,380
enforcement and you know at the time

2514
01:56:14,650 --> 01:56:11,930
that the crew passed the president of

2515
01:56:16,750 --> 01:56:14,660
the American polygraph Association said

2516
01:56:19,300 --> 01:56:16,760
that the odds were a million to one of

2517
01:56:22,660 --> 01:56:19,310
there being a mistaken verdict when

2518
01:56:25,540 --> 01:56:22,670
you've got six people being tested on

2519
01:56:28,180 --> 01:56:25,550
the same issue but now there's been 16

2520
01:56:30,670 --> 01:56:28,190
past tests in connection with this

2521
01:56:32,350 --> 01:56:30,680
incident now I'm recently asked you that

2522
01:56:35,250 --> 01:56:32,360
is that it had been reported that you

2523
01:56:38,110 --> 01:56:35,260
had a problem with one of these tests oh

2524
01:56:42,610 --> 01:56:38,120
yeah early on you know

2525
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:42,620
there was a test it was it was during

2526
01:56:48,010 --> 01:56:44,450
the period of time when I was so was

2527
01:56:50,610 --> 01:56:48,020
extremely you know on the verge of a

2528
01:56:53,380 --> 01:56:50,620
nervous breakdown that you know the

2529
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:53,390
psychiatrists were saying there's no way

2530
01:57:00,730 --> 01:56:56,650
a test at this time could be valid and

2531
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:00,740
turns out that the examiner was really

2532
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:04,400
not qualified and his test results have

2533
01:57:09,850 --> 01:57:07,010
been reviewed by you know three of the

2534
01:57:12,450 --> 01:57:09,860
top experts in the world and you know he

2535
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:12,460
just was just riddled with errors and

2536
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:16,970
they totally discount his opinion on the

2537
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:19,160
matter and so if you look at the

2538
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:22,130
totality you came through pretty good

2539
01:57:27,610 --> 01:57:24,650
let's talk more about this in a moment

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01:57:36,940 --> 01:57:27,620
we have Travis Walton joining gene and

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Travis Walton is with us we have that

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event coming in November

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Skyfire summit with all those guests

2639
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great guest list is's as good as you get

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i mean you know we have a few debates

2641
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:29,219
with a few of the people who are over

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02:02:32,839 --> 02:02:30,690
there at least one of those people but

2643
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:32,849
this is about as good as you get when

2644
02:02:36,439 --> 02:02:35,250
you have a UFO conference in fact I

2645
02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:36,449
think you're doing a lot better than

2646
02:02:43,069 --> 02:02:40,710
MUFON on this one Travis well I heard

2647
02:02:45,799 --> 02:02:43,079
that kind of went badly but these things

2648
02:02:49,010 --> 02:02:45,809
happen well you know I think they don't

2649
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:49,020
vet their guests anymore they're looking

2650
02:02:53,390 --> 02:02:51,030
for box office and this is a difficult

2651
02:02:55,580 --> 02:02:53,400
thing - you're having this in a small

2652
02:02:58,879 --> 02:02:55,590
town that's not an easy trip it's not

2653
02:03:00,890 --> 02:02:58,889
near an airport for example so do you

2654
02:03:03,410 --> 02:03:00,900
think that's going to hurt the potential

2655
02:03:06,109 --> 02:03:03,420
attendance well I've been to some pretty

2656
02:03:08,629 --> 02:03:06,119
popular conferences where I had to drive

2657
02:03:10,010 --> 02:03:08,639
an hour - you know from the airport to

2658
02:03:11,930 --> 02:03:10,020
get there so

2659
02:03:14,150 --> 02:03:11,940
think that's all that much of a problem

2660
02:03:16,340 --> 02:03:14,160
it's a little bit out of the way but you

2661
02:03:19,310 --> 02:03:16,350
know right up the highway it's just a

2662
02:03:20,900 --> 02:03:19,320
couple hours the airport right and

2663
02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:20,910
you're going to be running shuttle buses

2664
02:03:26,060 --> 02:03:23,640
or shuttle vans to and from the airport

2665
02:03:29,630 --> 02:03:26,070
to if I if I remember from the promo

2666
02:03:32,900 --> 02:03:29,640
material yes yeah and anybody who thinks

2667
02:03:36,530 --> 02:03:32,910
that heber's out of the way obviously

2668
02:03:39,710 --> 02:03:36,540
never attended Lou farish's Eureka

2669
02:03:42,530 --> 02:03:39,720
Springs conference that went for 25-30

2670
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:42,540
years down in Arkansas I mean that was a

2671
02:03:47,630 --> 02:03:44,480
height to the Fayetteville Airport and

2672
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:47,640
the scariest airplane ride I ever had

2673
02:03:52,030 --> 02:03:49,770
was going from Fayetteville to Dallas

2674
02:03:54,910 --> 02:03:52,040
during an ice storm with a with a

2675
02:03:57,770 --> 02:03:54,920
supercell that spawned 13 to our NATO's

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02:04:00,710 --> 02:03:57,780
the stewardess aboard the flight were

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tired after that flight so I'm not

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saying that's going to happen going to

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02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:04,710
Phoenix and then shuttling your way up

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02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:07,290
to Heber but Travis I'm really looking

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02:04:11,930 --> 02:04:09,690
forward to it I think that the sky fire

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02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:11,940
summit idea is a good one it's a

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02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:14,730
beautiful part of Arizona it's not

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02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:18,510
saguaro cactus we're in verdant pine

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02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:22,410
forest ponderosas and you know having

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02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:25,110
camped right there in that area it's

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02:04:29,210 --> 02:04:26,970
really one of the most beautiful spots

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02:04:31,190 --> 02:04:29,220
in Arizona especially to have a

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02:04:32,930 --> 02:04:31,200
conference of this sort you know what

2690
02:04:35,330 --> 02:04:32,940
Chris maybe what I'll have you do Chris

2691
02:04:39,710 --> 02:04:35,340
is I will close my eyes and you'll drive

2692
02:04:42,050 --> 02:04:39,720
me there well we'll just teleport Eugene

2693
02:04:44,570 --> 02:04:42,060
how's that Scotty beam me up

2694
02:04:47,330 --> 02:04:44,580
he never said by the way Captain Kirk

2695
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:47,340
beam me up Scotty it was always a

2696
02:04:51,470 --> 02:04:49,500
variation one of those herbs in the

2697
02:04:53,810 --> 02:04:51,480
legends it didn't come true play it

2698
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:53,820
again Sam that's right he never said

2699
02:04:58,700 --> 02:04:56,490
played again Sam yeah you know he said

2700
02:05:01,310 --> 02:04:58,710
play it Sam just like you used to or

2701
02:05:03,530 --> 02:05:01,320
something like that yeah this thing's

2702
02:05:05,420 --> 02:05:03,540
that movie and I thought they must have

2703
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:05,430
edited that segment out of it it's not

2704
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:08,310
what I was supposed to hear well okay

2705
02:05:13,160 --> 02:05:10,650
we're going back to our question Bank

2706
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:13,170
which is where listeners to the para

2707
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:15,570
cast can go on the forums at forum dr.

2708
02:05:20,420 --> 02:05:18,210
Peric ascom and you too can ask

2709
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:20,430
questions of our esteemed guests and

2710
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:22,710
Travis this is a real pleasure and thank

2711
02:05:26,900 --> 02:05:24,000
you so much for

2712
02:05:28,940 --> 02:05:26,910
you know agreeing to be on the show and

2713
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:28,950
this comes from stagger Lee who's one of

2714
02:05:34,190 --> 02:05:31,320
our longtime posters at forum dr. Peric

2715
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:34,200
ask.com and he's wondering what your

2716
02:05:39,260 --> 02:05:36,690
opinion is of abduction research that

2717
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:39,270
has now blossomed in the intervening

2718
02:05:43,870 --> 02:05:41,850
almost 40 years and he's wondering what

2719
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:43,880
do you think of the work of Budd Hopkins

2720
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:47,610
David Jacobs John Mack were these guys

2721
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:50,370
on to the truth of the phenomenon or

2722
02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:54,330
what well you know as I said before you

2723
02:05:59,240 --> 02:05:56,130
know there's a mix of Troost and

2724
02:06:02,810 --> 02:05:59,250
something else and you know and I don't

2725
02:06:05,210 --> 02:06:02,820
mean necessarily falsehood you know

2726
02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:05,220
theirs is what's actually happening and

2727
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:06,870
some things that are being mistaken for

2728
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:10,170
for for what's happening but you know

2729
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:12,030
there's a core reality here that's very

2730
02:06:16,250 --> 02:06:13,650
important to research

2731
02:06:18,770 --> 02:06:16,260
I think there's far more reports than

2732
02:06:22,070 --> 02:06:18,780
there are you know actual incidents but

2733
02:06:24,170 --> 02:06:22,080
you know it's inevitable you know I

2734
02:06:25,850 --> 02:06:24,180
don't think that that in any way

2735
02:06:28,130 --> 02:06:25,860
discredit to the reality of the

2736
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:28,140
phenomenon you know people are out

2737
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:30,690
prospecting for gold run across all

2738
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:32,610
sorts of things they think might be it

2739
02:06:39,500 --> 02:06:35,210
and that you know only gold is gold

2740
02:06:43,070 --> 02:06:39,510
there is some some authentic cases would

2741
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:43,080
really need study out there and that's

2742
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:46,110
you know what what really needs to be

2743
02:06:52,820 --> 02:06:49,170
done as far as ufology and the

2744
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:52,830
researchers is to you know have more

2745
02:06:58,820 --> 02:06:55,890
stringent protocol as far as trying to

2746
02:06:59,960 --> 02:06:58,830
separate out you know what's worthy of

2747
02:07:03,770 --> 02:06:59,970
research and what's not

2748
02:07:06,650 --> 02:07:03,780
yeah you think but but you know you know

2749
02:07:10,700 --> 02:07:06,660
people this this this error in thinking

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02:07:13,130 --> 02:07:10,710
permeates our culture well if if OD

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02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:13,140
central and go in goes in and fat is

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02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:15,930
found not guilty people say he was found

2753
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:17,850
innocent no he wasn't

2754
02:07:23,330 --> 02:07:20,850
that's not the same thing at all to say

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02:07:26,030 --> 02:07:23,340
that something is worthy of research and

2756
02:07:28,340 --> 02:07:26,040
these art is not the same as saying

2757
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:28,350
these other cases are not untrue

2758
02:07:33,290 --> 02:07:31,410
many of them are Reacher will be true

2759
02:07:37,339 --> 02:07:33,300
but they're just not the kind of

2760
02:07:39,649 --> 02:07:37,349
evidence with that you can deal with too

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02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:39,659
one way or the other you know our legal

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02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:42,030
system really needs to you know be

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02:07:46,580 --> 02:07:44,610
fine-tuned in the terminology you know

2764
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:46,590
not guilty is not the equivalent of

2765
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:49,679
innocent skeptics make this the skeptics

2766
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:52,560
say if you can't prove this is true if I

2767
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:54,719
can prove that you can't prove it's true

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02:07:59,810 --> 02:07:57,119
then I have proved is false and that's

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02:08:01,609 --> 02:07:59,820
just bad reasoning you know the

2770
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:01,619
inability to prove that something is

2771
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:03,570
true does not prove that it's false you

2772
02:08:11,899 --> 02:08:07,199
know I agreed absence of evidence is not

2773
02:08:13,939 --> 02:08:11,909
evidence in that regard well here's a

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02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:13,949
question from psychedelic alchemist

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02:08:20,660 --> 02:08:16,290
who's opposed to it form dr. Perik ask

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calm and this is a you know an

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02:08:24,189 --> 02:08:22,110
interesting question I don't think I've

2778
02:08:27,260 --> 02:08:24,199
ever heard anyone ask you this before

2779
02:08:30,410 --> 02:08:27,270
since you know thirty nine years ago

2780
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:30,420
have you had any other UFO sightings or

2781
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:33,090
any sort of contact or any other event

2782
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:36,210
that you felt was high strange out of

2783
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:37,050
the ordinary

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02:08:41,660 --> 02:08:39,690
maybe observing a sighting event that

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02:08:44,510 --> 02:08:41,670
you couldn't explain I'm sure that

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02:08:48,859 --> 02:08:44,520
you've been you know very diligent in

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02:08:50,209 --> 02:08:48,869
you know keeping your eyes open as you

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02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:50,219
go through your everyday life have you

2789
02:08:55,250 --> 02:08:52,110
ever had any more sightings or any sort

2790
02:08:57,290 --> 02:08:55,260
of event well all these years have been

2791
02:08:59,689 --> 02:08:57,300
asked that question and I've always said

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you know that if anything more was to

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happen I wouldn't tell anybody but I did

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02:09:08,180 --> 02:09:06,389
have a sighting in February that I will

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admit to because I have two people with

2796
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me I was leaving a MUFON meeting in LA

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we were driving up the five towards to

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02:09:22,060 --> 02:09:18,440
ten and this this sounds almost

2799
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unbelievable but one of these giant

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triangular-shaped craft came down to you

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know to the west of the five towards us

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stopped over the top of us flying very

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low gigantic sort of turned and then you

2804
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know by then it was over the roof of the

2805
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car and couldn't see what happened after

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02:09:43,339 --> 02:09:39,810
that

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it was clearly visible unmistakable and

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I was just astounded that you know

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something flying over that gigantic over

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a city

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02:09:54,979 --> 02:09:52,920
the size of Los Angeles there would be

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02:09:57,620 --> 02:09:54,989
all kinds of reports but you know what

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people just don't look up but when I got

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home my son went on this website called

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the UFO stalker got calm and there was a

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whole cluster of sightings right there

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02:10:10,250 --> 02:10:08,280
they had a Google map type thing on the

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site showing that you know there was

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02:10:15,410 --> 02:10:12,780
about a dozen sightings right at that

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spot at that time let's break it here

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Travis and we get into more of this with

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you ever think here we always hear the

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smartphones we've got the brand new

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iPhone 6 just came out this week Travis

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Walton and the key thing about it is

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2940
02:15:18,020 --> 02:15:15,659
people looking down at their smartphones

2941
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:18,030
they're not looking up in the sky to see

2942
02:15:22,189 --> 02:15:19,650
something they might want to photograph

2943
02:15:24,410 --> 02:15:22,199
well you know it's interesting you know

2944
02:15:27,169 --> 02:15:24,420
Tracy Torme had commented to me recently

2945
02:15:29,359 --> 02:15:27,179
about this and he really thinks that the

2946
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,369
occupants of these craft you know with

2947
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:31,679
their technology have actually modified

2948
02:15:37,070 --> 02:15:34,560
their behavior because of the existence

2949
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:37,080
of cell phones and cameras like that

2950
02:15:41,870 --> 02:15:39,900
if the crew you know if this happened

2951
02:15:45,050 --> 02:15:41,880
when cellphones exist there had been

2952
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:45,060
seven cameras going there if would have

2953
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:46,770
been on Facebook within a couple of

2954
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:49,530
hours the NSA knows where every single

2955
02:15:53,450 --> 02:15:51,210
one of these cell phones is certainly

2956
02:15:54,890 --> 02:15:53,460
this technology hundreds of thousands

2957
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:54,900
years ahead of us could do the same

2958
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:57,840
thing and you know either avoid them or

2959
02:16:03,229 --> 02:16:00,719
even actually reach in there and tamper

2960
02:16:05,330 --> 02:16:03,239
with what's being recorded you know that

2961
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:05,340
begs a question why do they even have

2962
02:16:10,459 --> 02:16:07,170
lights at all they don't need to have

2963
02:16:12,890 --> 02:16:10,469
lights like a Christmas tree or you know

2964
02:16:14,839 --> 02:16:12,900
unless it's some sort of about that

2965
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:14,849
stuff to care recently you know you've

2966
02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:16,800
got the two extremes the skeptics who

2967
02:16:19,759 --> 02:16:18,239
say if this was real they don't

2968
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:19,769
on the White House lawn and say here we

2969
02:16:25,489 --> 02:16:23,130
are and then I bring up the point that

2970
02:16:27,410 --> 02:16:25,499
with a technology hundreds of thousands

2971
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:27,420
or millions of years ahead of us

2972
02:16:32,450 --> 02:16:30,690
as michio kaku points out you know quit

2973
02:16:34,370 --> 02:16:32,460
imagining there was being a few hundred

2974
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:34,380
years ahead of us you know with their

2975
02:16:38,929 --> 02:16:36,569
technology they could do everything they

2976
02:16:40,969 --> 02:16:38,939
want to do here and remain completely

2977
02:16:43,639 --> 02:16:40,979
undetected now they're doing neither

2978
02:16:45,679 --> 02:16:43,649
they're neither remaining undetected and

2979
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:45,689
they're not landing on the White House

2980
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:49,290
lawn and I theorized my theory is that

2981
02:16:56,410 --> 02:16:52,370
they are playing this peekaboo sort of

2982
02:16:59,900 --> 02:16:56,420
barely verifiable provable sorts of

2983
02:17:02,660 --> 02:16:59,910
sightings on a continuing basis for a

2984
02:17:04,759 --> 02:17:02,670
purpose and it's related to this science

2985
02:17:07,849 --> 02:17:04,769
fiction thing of non-interference

2986
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:07,859
directive that there's a conditioning

2987
02:17:13,009 --> 02:17:10,729
program going on here we're getting

2988
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:13,019
accustomed to the idea that we're not

2989
02:17:18,650 --> 02:17:15,679
alone in a way that won't be as

2990
02:17:20,269 --> 02:17:18,660
incredibly disrupting as it would be if

2991
02:17:23,150 --> 02:17:20,279
they were to land on the White House

2992
02:17:26,570 --> 02:17:23,160
lawn don't let were to happen half the

2993
02:17:28,250 --> 02:17:26,580
world wouldn't go to work tomorrow yeah

2994
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:28,260
and the other half wouldn't believe that

2995
02:17:32,509 --> 02:17:29,760
it was true they would think there was

2996
02:17:35,540 --> 02:17:32,519
just some sort of you know some sort of

2997
02:17:37,250 --> 02:17:35,550
biggest information program yeah well

2998
02:17:38,900 --> 02:17:37,260
well that that kind of brings up a

2999
02:17:41,690 --> 02:17:38,910
question here that we have from alien

3000
02:17:44,690 --> 02:17:41,700
esquire who's a recent poster here at

3001
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:44,700
forum dr. Peric ascom and he's wondering

3002
02:17:49,490 --> 02:17:47,010
if you believe that the general public's

3003
02:17:51,500 --> 02:17:49,500
perception of your encounter has changed

3004
02:17:55,070 --> 02:17:51,510
over the last thirty nine plus years and

3005
02:17:56,839 --> 02:17:55,080
if so has this public perception helped

3006
02:18:00,339 --> 02:17:56,849
or hurt your ability to promote

3007
02:18:03,500 --> 02:18:00,349
awareness of these types of events and

3008
02:18:05,809 --> 02:18:03,510
what if any effect has the youthful aaja

3009
02:18:08,209 --> 02:18:05,819
community's perception of your encounter

3010
02:18:10,009 --> 02:18:08,219
had on your ability to actually

3011
02:18:12,620 --> 02:18:10,019
communicate to people about what

3012
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,630
happened to you well I think that you

3013
02:18:16,429 --> 02:18:14,639
know Dan to the last part first that you

3014
02:18:18,679 --> 02:18:16,439
know some of what goes on the you for

3015
02:18:20,750 --> 02:18:18,689
logical community has muddied the water

3016
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:20,760
a bit because there are you know some

3017
02:18:26,419 --> 02:18:23,760
rather outlandish claims out there that

3018
02:18:28,250 --> 02:18:26,429
you know we get branded you know if the

3019
02:18:30,510 --> 02:18:28,260
news media comes to a conference and

3020
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:30,520
there's a guy with a tinfoil hat or

3021
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:32,650
why're pyramid on his head that's the

3022
02:18:35,610 --> 02:18:33,850
guy that's gonna be on the news that

3023
02:18:38,340 --> 02:18:35,620
night they're not going to talk to the

3024
02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:38,350
rational well reasoned scientific minded

3025
02:18:42,750 --> 02:18:40,570
person who is giving good reasons for

3026
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:42,760
why this there's this is respectable

3027
02:18:46,770 --> 02:18:45,730
area of study but to answer the first

3028
02:18:50,010 --> 02:18:46,780
part of the question

3029
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:50,020
yeah over the years there's been a

3030
02:18:56,490 --> 02:18:53,410
definite improvement in the acceptance

3031
02:18:58,860 --> 02:18:56,500
of what happened to me I think me and

3032
02:19:01,530 --> 02:18:58,870
doing part because I've written a book

3033
02:19:04,350 --> 02:19:01,540
that took every single allegation the

3034
02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:04,360
skeptics made head-on and refuted them

3035
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:07,690
with solid Duffing documentation but you

3036
02:19:13,020 --> 02:19:10,510
know also back when this happened they

3037
02:19:15,290 --> 02:19:13,030
weren't for certain there was a single

3038
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:15,300
planet outside of this solar system

3039
02:19:20,010 --> 02:19:17,530
astronomers of course theorized in other

3040
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,020
stars but we had planets but even the

3041
02:19:25,650 --> 02:19:22,960
Drake Equation was had far lower numbers

3042
02:19:27,870 --> 02:19:25,660
been has been borne out by Kepler and

3043
02:19:30,090 --> 02:19:27,880
you know NASA announced in the in the

3044
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,100
last year that it's a virtual certainty

3045
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:32,800
now that most stars have about a dozen

3046
02:19:37,470 --> 02:19:35,290
planets going around them and they've

3047
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:37,480
even been able to determine which ones

3048
02:19:43,890 --> 02:19:40,960
are possibly earth-like and so you know

3049
02:19:46,980 --> 02:19:43,900
this understanding this dawning

3050
02:19:49,620 --> 02:19:46,990
awareness has changed the public

3051
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:49,630
attitude you know the the likelihood

3052
02:19:54,030 --> 02:19:52,210
that were you know completely alone and

3053
02:19:56,671 --> 02:19:54,040
all those little sparkly things in the

3054
02:19:58,591 --> 02:19:56,681
sky at night are just there to give us

3055
02:20:02,850 --> 02:19:58,601
something to look at you know is an

3056
02:20:05,370 --> 02:20:02,860
absurd notion and rather egocentric I

3057
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:05,380
think you know acceptance of the whole

3058
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:08,290
idea in general is grown and the fact

3059
02:20:12,750 --> 02:20:10,450
that a lot of false rumors have been

3060
02:20:15,660 --> 02:20:12,760
dispelled over the years has contributed

3061
02:20:17,730 --> 02:20:15,670
to greater acceptance and you know I'm

3062
02:20:19,890 --> 02:20:17,740
feeling it on the local level too you

3063
02:20:22,171 --> 02:20:19,900
know people come up to me and shake my

3064
02:20:24,900 --> 02:20:22,181
hand and say I always supported you but

3065
02:20:26,730 --> 02:20:24,910
only now am i coming forward with the

3066
02:20:29,790 --> 02:20:26,740
confidence to say so publicly you know

3067
02:20:32,940 --> 02:20:29,800
yeah well that you know this brings up

3068
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:32,950
the whole subject of public perception

3069
02:20:38,330 --> 02:20:35,410
of youth illogical events and how the

3070
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:38,340
media when it gets involved tends to

3071
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:41,110
ratchet up the fear element ratchet up

3072
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:43,840
the suspense the drama you

3073
02:20:48,599 --> 02:20:46,210
to question some stagger Lee who again

3074
02:20:50,880 --> 02:20:48,609
is opposed to it form dr. Peric ascom

3075
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:50,890
well you can ask questions of our guests

3076
02:20:55,469 --> 02:20:52,810
if he's wondering about the the film

3077
02:20:57,599 --> 02:20:55,479
fire in the sky and he says I understand

3078
02:21:00,179 --> 02:20:57,609
the producers took great liberty in

3079
02:21:02,910 --> 02:21:00,189
recreating your experience aboard the

3080
02:21:05,960 --> 02:21:02,920
saucer and he's wondering if you had any

3081
02:21:09,660 --> 02:21:05,970
say over this whether you were able to

3082
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:09,670
mundo I had no say over that and you

3083
02:21:13,530 --> 02:21:11,530
know I tried to exert some of that

3084
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:13,540
influence and almost got myself barred

3085
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:15,850
from the set now once you sign your

3086
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:17,530
rights away you know that's the way it

3087
02:21:23,099 --> 02:21:20,950
is and it's not just me you know Michael

3088
02:21:25,800 --> 02:21:23,109
Crichton wound up walking off the set of

3089
02:21:27,960 --> 02:21:25,810
several of movies that were made from

3090
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:27,970
his books because of disagreements with

3091
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:30,850
but it's understandable that Hollywood

3092
02:21:34,620 --> 02:21:33,250
is not going to put someone else in the

3093
02:21:36,570 --> 02:21:34,630
driver's seat when they've got millions

3094
02:21:39,870 --> 02:21:36,580
of dollars to invest you know their

3095
02:21:41,969 --> 02:21:39,880
writer them it's a business and they're

3096
02:21:44,820 --> 02:21:41,979
not going to allow me to have any sort

3097
02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:44,830
of veto power it just doesn't happen and

3098
02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:48,130
you know even at the at the most highest

3099
02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:51,370
level with writers and people having

3100
02:21:55,050 --> 02:21:54,130
their books made into movies so I had no

3101
02:21:57,480 --> 02:21:55,060
control over that

3102
02:22:00,679 --> 02:21:57,490
however I am looking to get a remake of

3103
02:22:04,740 --> 02:22:00,689
the movie it doesn't and I how cool

3104
02:22:06,420 --> 02:22:04,750
email me to expressing that desire and

3105
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:06,430
so I'm collecting all those emails and

3106
02:22:11,370 --> 02:22:09,010
one day I will take them to the studio

3107
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:11,380
and say you know there's definitely an

3108
02:22:15,900 --> 02:22:14,080
interest out there and seen something

3109
02:22:18,270 --> 02:22:15,910
that sticks more through to what really

3110
02:22:21,599 --> 02:22:18,280
happened the only hope you have here

3111
02:22:25,620 --> 02:22:21,609
Travis is that Hollywood running out of

3112
02:22:28,050 --> 02:22:25,630
ideas is regularly mining older films to

3113
02:22:31,230 --> 02:22:28,060
do reading oh yeah

3114
02:22:34,139 --> 02:22:31,240
you were saying Chris well I said let's

3115
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:34,149
reboot the the whole scenario because I

3116
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:36,130
know talking with Tracy over the years

3117
02:22:41,370 --> 02:22:39,130
that he was very very upset with the

3118
02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:41,380
portrayal of the actual events that

3119
02:22:46,920 --> 02:22:44,530
occurred as you remember them aboard the

3120
02:22:49,800 --> 02:22:46,930
ship that in fact it was even talked

3121
02:22:52,830 --> 02:22:49,810
about some sort of legal injunction at

3122
02:22:55,260 --> 02:22:52,840
one point well do you think that the the

3123
02:22:57,630 --> 02:22:55,270
fact that Hollywood takes these cases

3124
02:23:00,479 --> 02:22:57,640
yours in particular but but

3125
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:00,489
in general and you know it goes through

3126
02:23:05,939 --> 02:23:03,130
this embellishment this ratcheting up

3127
02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:05,949
the fear or they do their own Hollywood

3128
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:08,409
spin on it do you think that this has in

3129
02:23:13,229 --> 02:23:10,210
your case do you think this has

3130
02:23:17,550 --> 02:23:13,239
diminished your case in any way or are

3131
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:17,560
you okay with how your event aboard the

3132
02:23:22,229 --> 02:23:19,600
ship were portrayed in the movie well

3133
02:23:24,750 --> 02:23:22,239
you know I was extremely disappointed at

3134
02:23:28,349 --> 02:23:24,760
the time and though I did receive some

3135
02:23:31,260 --> 02:23:28,359
backlash although at the time my

3136
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:31,270
reaction to it as being so horrific and

3137
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:33,760
so you know terrorizing was pretty

3138
02:23:38,639 --> 02:23:36,310
accurately you know it left people with

3139
02:23:40,679 --> 02:23:38,649
the feeling that I had at the time but

3140
02:23:42,929 --> 02:23:40,689
over the years you know realizing that

3141
02:23:45,179 --> 02:23:42,939
it was probably more about reviving me

3142
02:23:48,330 --> 02:23:45,189
than than just you know taking me aboard

3143
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,340
the experiment on me or torment me that

3144
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:50,640
evolving consciousness you know

3145
02:23:57,179 --> 02:23:52,930
awareness is something that I think

3146
02:23:59,130 --> 02:23:57,189
needs to be redone and so you know the

3147
02:24:02,040 --> 02:23:59,140
the the mood the fact that the movie was

3148
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:02,050
made at all did open up people's

3149
02:24:07,380 --> 02:24:04,330
willingness to take a look at the facts

3150
02:24:10,349 --> 02:24:07,390
and follow up on you know reading the

3151
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:10,359
facts I put down in the book and so in

3152
02:24:17,610 --> 02:24:14,409
that sense it it helped to get the truth

3153
02:24:27,269 --> 02:24:17,620
out there we have Travis Walton joining

3154
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:27,279
gene and Chris you're in the mainstream

3155
02:24:32,219 --> 02:24:30,640
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healer Academy this is Leslie cane and

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I'm with the Coalition for freedom of

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information and you are listening to the

3261
02:28:50,210 --> 02:28:47,420
podcast

3262
02:28:51,801 --> 02:28:50,220
we have Travis Walton joining gene and

3263
02:28:54,110 --> 02:28:51,811
Kris and the para cast we've asked him

3264
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:54,120
over the years to get over here and talk

3265
02:28:58,850 --> 02:28:56,130
with us and we're happy that he's come

3266
02:29:00,500 --> 02:28:58,860
aboard I think you're getting put

3267
02:29:02,841 --> 02:29:00,510
through the ringer in terms of questions

3268
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:02,851
Travis but you know your stuff and

3269
02:29:07,490 --> 02:29:04,710
you're coming through great let's move

3270
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:07,500
on Kris Travis let's go ahead and talk

3271
02:29:14,511 --> 02:29:10,650
more about these Skyfire summit you have

3272
02:29:17,870 --> 02:29:14,521
an incredible lineup of experts what

3273
02:29:20,450 --> 02:29:17,880
sort of criteria did you kind of pick

3274
02:29:23,301 --> 02:29:20,460
off in your mind about how to inaugurate

3275
02:29:26,210 --> 02:29:23,311
on what I'm assuming you're hoping

3276
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:26,220
there's an annual event in a fairly

3277
02:29:33,131 --> 02:29:29,730
obscure part of Arizona I mean what do

3278
02:29:37,150 --> 02:29:33,141
you see for the Skyfire summit and and

3279
02:29:40,700 --> 02:29:37,160
again what sort of criteria did you use

3280
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:40,710
to select your speakers and where do you

3281
02:29:43,780 --> 02:29:43,110
see this particular conference going in

3282
02:29:46,370 --> 02:29:43,790
the future

3283
02:29:49,430 --> 02:29:46,380
well you know there was a huge number of

3284
02:29:51,801 --> 02:29:49,440
speakers to choose from and what I was

3285
02:29:55,430 --> 02:29:51,811
after you know having something here

3286
02:29:57,680 --> 02:29:55,440
on my home turf you know I know this is

3287
02:30:00,920 --> 02:29:57,690
going to be you know attended nationally

3288
02:30:05,770 --> 02:30:00,930
but I was also very conscious of making

3289
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:05,780
this sort of in ufology 101 sort of a

3290
02:30:11,810 --> 02:30:09,690
introduction to the to the field and I

3291
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:11,820
wanted people who would take the basic

3292
02:30:19,370 --> 02:30:17,490
facets of the of the you know this in

3293
02:30:21,710 --> 02:30:19,380
the field of study in general and in

3294
02:30:23,330 --> 02:30:21,720
kind of you know put the best foot

3295
02:30:25,160 --> 02:30:23,340
forward as far as you know laying the

3296
02:30:27,650 --> 02:30:25,170
groundwork for people to have a broader

3297
02:30:28,660 --> 02:30:27,660
basic understanding of what's really

3298
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:28,670
going on

3299
02:30:35,330 --> 02:30:31,680
okay well also want to ask you here in

3300
02:30:37,220 --> 02:30:35,340
terms of this kind of event now I guess

3301
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:37,230
one of the impediments of course getting

3302
02:30:41,720 --> 02:30:38,730
a large attendance is that you have to

3303
02:30:45,080 --> 02:30:41,730
charge a fair price to cover the travel

3304
02:30:47,810 --> 02:30:45,090
costs of the guests they don't just fly

3305
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:47,820
from disparate parts of the country for

3306
02:30:52,940 --> 02:30:51,210
free is that ever serve as a problem to

3307
02:30:55,220 --> 02:30:52,950
about the fact that you've got to charge

3308
02:30:57,410 --> 02:30:55,230
enough to be able to cover your costs

3309
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:57,420
and that might be a lot more than some

3310
02:31:01,551 --> 02:30:59,040
people are prepared to pay

3311
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:01,561
yeah that mat is a daunting thing but

3312
02:31:07,700 --> 02:31:04,970
you know people need to understand our

3313
02:31:09,801 --> 02:31:07,710
cherished goal is to breaki and you know

3314
02:31:13,310 --> 02:31:09,811
we just got to pay the bills and you

3315
02:31:15,860 --> 02:31:13,320
know even the venue is to rent is you

3316
02:31:18,020 --> 02:31:15,870
know over $1,000 a day so you know

3317
02:31:20,390 --> 02:31:18,030
there's a lot of overhead and that's

3318
02:31:22,520 --> 02:31:20,400
where it's all going but I think people

3319
02:31:24,921 --> 02:31:22,530
will find it's well worth the experience

3320
02:31:27,500 --> 02:31:24,931
because there's a you know whole wealth

3321
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:27,510
of material being presented here do you

3322
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:29,610
get a lot of media attention so far on

3323
02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:35,280
this well we're having a film crew from

3324
02:31:41,150 --> 02:31:37,620
France come in their film in a feature

3325
02:31:42,470 --> 02:31:41,160
film and it's going to be you know all

3326
02:31:47,030 --> 02:31:42,480
the conference it's gonna be a little

3327
02:31:48,980 --> 02:31:47,040
bit of a backdrop for their docudrama

3328
02:31:51,530 --> 02:31:48,990
well it was a it's actually a fictional

3329
02:31:55,490 --> 02:31:51,540
film but it you know it's more reality

3330
02:31:57,620 --> 02:31:55,500
based and then there's also a major

3331
02:32:00,860 --> 02:31:57,630
magazine from France and you know a

3332
02:32:04,190 --> 02:32:00,870
writer over and there's another number

3333
02:32:06,290 --> 02:32:04,200
of other film crews and and Hollywood

3334
02:32:09,140 --> 02:32:06,300
types gonna be present but still quite

3335
02:32:12,860 --> 02:32:09,150
early I've invited the actor who played

3336
02:32:14,660 --> 02:32:12,870
me DB sweeney to come and i haven't

3337
02:32:18,410 --> 02:32:14,670
heard back from him yet although his

3338
02:32:20,450 --> 02:32:18,420
agent contacted me about joining him on

3339
02:32:26,091 --> 02:32:20,460
the autograph circuit here recently and

3340
02:32:29,480 --> 02:32:26,101
i also invited the Grammy winner Sonny

3341
02:32:31,671 --> 02:32:29,490
Moore also known as Skrillex and I spoke

3342
02:32:34,430 --> 02:32:31,681
at his birthday party in LA here

3343
02:32:36,410 --> 02:32:34,440
recently and they said maybe so I'm

3344
02:32:38,900 --> 02:32:36,420
waiting to hear back from them about

3345
02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:38,910
them you know having an autograph

3346
02:32:45,650 --> 02:32:41,370
session together sitting on the on the

3347
02:32:47,150 --> 02:32:45,660
fifth or sixth and it's just done you

3348
02:32:50,210 --> 02:32:47,160
know we're just getting we're getting a

3349
02:32:51,980 --> 02:32:50,220
late start here and you know things are

3350
02:32:53,930 --> 02:32:51,990
developing day by day you know new

3351
02:32:56,600 --> 02:32:53,940
things are coming in because we just

3352
02:32:58,671 --> 02:32:56,610
barely announced and but the website is

3353
02:33:01,610 --> 02:32:58,681
up now and it's full functioning as far

3354
02:33:04,100 --> 02:33:01,620
as signing up for the first day and so

3355
02:33:09,051 --> 02:33:04,110
and and we're gonna have a direct link

3356
02:33:12,320 --> 02:33:09,061
to the conference site to allow people

3357
02:33:14,301 --> 02:33:12,330
you know the chance to find out more and

3358
02:33:17,150 --> 02:33:14,311
sign up and come to the conference and I

3359
02:33:20,140 --> 02:33:17,160
invite everybody to to come say hello

3360
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:20,150
meet Travis you listen to these great

3361
02:33:23,990 --> 02:33:21,840
presentations it'll be there

3362
02:33:28,610 --> 02:33:24,000
Travis we've had a number of questions

3363
02:33:30,350 --> 02:33:28,620
on the forum that he you know you are

3364
02:33:33,290 --> 02:33:30,360
not living in a mansion you have not

3365
02:33:36,770 --> 02:33:33,300
become a wealthy man you know promoting

3366
02:33:40,400 --> 02:33:36,780
your case you don't make your everyday

3367
02:33:42,801 --> 02:33:40,410
and not your living from this but what

3368
02:33:45,290 --> 02:33:42,811
do you tell people that say Oh Travis he

3369
02:33:46,940 --> 02:33:45,300
you know he came up with this whole

3370
02:33:50,810 --> 02:33:46,950
thing just to make money to become

3371
02:33:52,761 --> 02:33:50,820
famous you know you have your detractors

3372
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:52,771
that that want to know how much money

3373
02:33:57,440 --> 02:33:56,160
you made off off fire in the sky how

3374
02:33:59,600 --> 02:33:57,450
much money you've made off your

3375
02:34:01,940 --> 02:33:59,610
appearances and stuff what do you tell

3376
02:34:03,350 --> 02:34:01,950
people that that claim that you're only

3377
02:34:06,261 --> 02:34:03,360
in this for the money

3378
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:06,271
well you know I made less off the movie

3379
02:34:11,090 --> 02:34:08,850
than some of the minor actors and you

3380
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:11,100
know overall I would say this thing has

3381
02:34:17,570 --> 02:34:14,010
hurt me financially over the years it

3382
02:34:20,810 --> 02:34:17,580
certainly cut off a lot of avenues that

3383
02:34:22,551 --> 02:34:20,820
I might have had in my life and even now

3384
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:22,561
like I said you know with the conference

3385
02:34:29,090 --> 02:34:27,180
would breakeven is our goal and if I

3386
02:34:31,190 --> 02:34:29,100
didn't have my pension as under Steel

3387
02:34:34,250 --> 02:34:31,200
Workers Union I couldn't pay my bill so

3388
02:34:37,100 --> 02:34:34,260
you know no it hasn't made me rich never

3389
02:34:40,190 --> 02:34:37,110
will but that's you know right now for

3390
02:34:43,130 --> 02:34:40,200
so many years I you know I browsed about

3391
02:34:45,261 --> 02:34:43,140
the burden that you know having had this

3392
02:34:47,420 --> 02:34:45,271
happen that you know with all the

3393
02:34:49,011 --> 02:34:47,430
problems and everything I've come to

3394
02:34:52,430 --> 02:34:49,021
realize that there's a responsibility

3395
02:34:55,460 --> 02:34:52,440
that comes with it and I'm hoping to

3396
02:34:59,570 --> 02:34:55,470
make a positive difference in the world

3397
02:35:02,630 --> 02:34:59,580
as far as making people aware of the

3398
02:35:05,801 --> 02:35:02,640
truth and how to how to get it so you're

3399
02:35:09,500 --> 02:35:05,811
not running around saying ain't it awful

3400
02:35:13,160 --> 02:35:09,510
well not anymore you know I've got to

3401
02:35:17,210 --> 02:35:13,170
I've got to accept you know what is is

3402
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:17,220
you know you just you can't run away

3403
02:35:20,180 --> 02:35:18,090
from it anymore

3404
02:35:21,950 --> 02:35:20,190
it's it's not gonna go away I've tried

3405
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:21,960
that you know but talking about it for a

3406
02:35:29,060 --> 02:35:25,680
few years and all it does is leave the

3407
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:29,070
the stage free for people to you know

3408
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:30,720
get out there and say things that aren't

3409
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:34,410
true so did you ever think the incident

3410
02:35:41,929 --> 02:35:36,930
would repeat itself sometime in your

3411
02:35:44,179 --> 02:35:41,939
life God you mean God out somebody else

3412
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:44,189
with me it's you did you ever think that

3413
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:45,810
maybe this is all going to happen again

3414
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:47,850
I mean there are stories here of people

3415
02:35:54,410 --> 02:35:51,090
who have been abducted by quote-unquote

3416
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,420
UFO aliens and it happens again and

3417
02:35:59,179 --> 02:35:56,880
again and again yeah what about your

3418
02:36:02,270 --> 02:35:59,189
kids have anyone else in your family had

3419
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:02,280
any sort of sighting experiences or up

3420
02:36:07,969 --> 02:36:05,520
close encounters yeah I'm pretty

3421
02:36:10,340 --> 02:36:07,979
protective of my family so you know and

3422
02:36:12,740 --> 02:36:10,350
even to that extent you know even if it

3423
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:12,750
was to happen to me again I've often

3424
02:36:19,460 --> 02:36:16,890
said I doubt I would even make it public

3425
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:19,470
you know I I really had no choice in my

3426
02:36:22,099 --> 02:36:19,770
case

3427
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:22,109
people say oh he's a publicity seeker

3428
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:23,370
well you know right after this happened

3429
02:36:27,290 --> 02:36:25,590
I have awaited the media and then that

3430
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:27,300
they acted like well he's got something

3431
02:36:30,740 --> 02:36:28,890
to hide then as soon as you come out

3432
02:36:32,990 --> 02:36:30,750
well your publicity is there so you know

3433
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:33,000
you can't win wherever you go

3434
02:36:37,820 --> 02:36:35,280
you're damned if you do damned if you

3435
02:36:39,170 --> 02:36:37,830
don't Travis Walton tell our listeners

3436
02:36:45,020 --> 02:36:39,180
where they can find more information

3437
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,030
about your UFO convention event the sky

3438
02:36:49,150 --> 02:36:47,040
fire summer oh I have my own I have my

3439
02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:49,160
own website Travis Walton calm but the

3440
02:36:58,400 --> 02:36:55,280
conference is WW sky fire summit calm

3441
02:37:01,580 --> 02:36:58,410
sky fire summit calm let me just tell

3442
02:37:03,620 --> 02:37:01,590
our listeners we do have a link at the

3443
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:03,630
power cast forums and after parent cast

3444
02:37:11,719 --> 02:37:08,250
come to that site and also - Travis -

3445
02:37:14,420 --> 02:37:11,729
Walton calm which is his regular site so

3446
02:37:16,250 --> 02:37:14,430
either way you click the link you can

3447
02:37:19,490 --> 02:37:16,260
get there and learn more about the

3448
02:37:21,740 --> 02:37:19,500
conference and as I said I'd like to go

3449
02:37:23,300 --> 02:37:21,750
there probably have Chris drive me with

3450
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:23,310
my eyes closed because I don't like

3451
02:37:27,889 --> 02:37:25,920
mountainous roads and every time I

3452
02:37:29,330 --> 02:37:27,899
that's why I won't visit Chris's home

3453
02:37:31,580 --> 02:37:29,340
you know he's two hours away I don't go

3454
02:37:34,099 --> 02:37:31,590
there because I just don't dig that hey

3455
02:37:36,349 --> 02:37:34,109
guy tell our listeners also that if you

3456
02:37:37,370 --> 02:37:36,359
want to ask questions of our guests you

3457
02:37:40,670 --> 02:37:37,380
go to four

3458
02:37:43,609 --> 02:37:40,680
dot the para cast calm that's forum dot

3459
02:37:45,260 --> 02:37:43,619
of the para cast calm and by the way

3460
02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:45,270
we've got something special going on

3461
02:37:52,189 --> 02:37:48,930
here Chris is giving away a free copy of

3462
02:37:54,859 --> 02:37:52,199
one of his books secrets of the

3463
02:37:56,420 --> 02:37:54,869
mysterious Valley eBook version the

3464
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:56,430
eBook version of secrets of the

3465
02:38:02,990 --> 02:37:59,040
mysterious valley if you go to the para

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when we get Travis on the next time

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we'll talk about the cattle mutilations

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happening in the seventies around the

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time of his UFO encounter we didn't have

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the time this time Travis Walton thanks

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for joining us on the power cast well

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible